Q&A #99: Taking A Free Card On The Turn, Or Giving It?

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The free card play is an old limit hold’em standby. Raise the flop with position and a draw, and then if you miss on the turn, check it behind when they check to you. It can be a valuable play, but it also has a few downsides.

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7 Responses to “Q&A #99: Taking A Free Card On The Turn, Or Giving It?”

SelfMade
@ Mon Jan 28, 2008 01:57:53 AM
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Can someone define “stiff ace?”

AKQJ10
@ Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:42:37 AM
2

@SelfMade:

I take that to mean the same thing as bare ace, i.e. only an ace and nothing more, here two pair with an ace kicker.

In NLHE:TAP Ed and David Sklansky use something like “stiff ten” to mean a one-card straight on an extremely coordinated board.


It’s good to see the mid-limit games at Commerce playing like their legendary reputation. If it’s really true, as some suggest, that the NL games are getting tougher there then I might want to refresh my LHE skills.

BTR
@ Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:02:43 PM
3

Wow are the $40/$80 limit games really that loose at the Commerce? I have GOT to make a trip out there.

deadmoneywalking
@ Tue Jan 29, 2008 01:48:09 AM
4

I didn’t know that 4 to the flop is considered “loose.”

Nor do I see why a 3-bet is warranted with one EP raiser and a cold caller.

Ad-man
@ Tue Jan 29, 2008 03:51:20 AM
5

Since when did 3 betting early position raisers with A2s become correct play? I would have thought that is an auto fold but not only is this guy doing it, Ed is half way in agreement with the play! What gives? Am I missing something?

Toonces
@ Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:16:55 AM
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Adman, on this hand, the player is a late-position blind in the cutoff. He’s already in for 1 bet with A2s and a multi-way pot developing. He’s not going to fold for 1 more bet with position, so the only decision is raise vs. call, and I agree with Ed that a call is better here.

Ed Miller
@ Tue Jan 29, 2008 01:11:54 PM
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Ad-man,

The hero posted a late position blind which alters preflop play considerably. Check out an article I wrote about it a while ago.

Commerce games used to always be quite loose, with 4-6 seeing most flops (for multiple bets often) in the $40-$80 game. It appears that hasn’t changed much in the two years or so since I last played there.

I like calling rather than 3-betting, but I think the 3-bet is ok so long as the initial raiser and the cold-caller are very loose.

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