Q&A #79: But Doyle Brunson Says…
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Today I will both answer a question and rant a bit about a related pet peeve. Excited? I know I am. First, the question from Jarno Virtanen,
On a different forum, I got into an argument about the correct preflop play with AA/KK and AKo. I just got a free copy of super system/2 and I read Harman’s limit chapter. Now, I guess I’m in no position to critisize Harman, but I was a bit confused at times. She was constantly emphasizing preflop isolation, which is an important concept as such.
But she then went on to claim that you should not raise with pocket aces preflop if there are a lot of players in a raised pot already, because you can’t isolate and get the pot heads-up anymore. I mean, WTF? If UTG raises, UTG+1 reraises and 6 people cold-call in between, then I’m capping with aces 100% of the time even though there’s no way in hell anyone’s going to fold anymore. It’s a pure value raise at that point.
The other example was of a middle position raiser and two cold callers in between with you holding AKo in the big blind. Harman said that you should not raise here, because, again, you can’t get heads-up and you’re out of position. Again, I would 3-bet here nearly 100% of the time and lead out on most flops. (Hopefully getting the original preflop raiser to raise and shut out the rest of the field or to just get value in with a lucky flop. AKo particularly is a hand that has worst possible implied odds so it’s better to get money in when you’re favorite.
(Of course, this assumes that this isn’t some super-tight expert table, though the fact the there are two cold-callers in between suggests that it really isn’t. And with pocket aces or kings you’d still raise whatever the previous action.)
So, do you agree with the idea to get the most money in preflop with AA/KK, AK even though you can’t isolate to get the pot heads-up or even 3-way?
Jarno, for practical purposes, I think you’ve got the right idea. If you’re in a multiway pot with AA or KK, you should raise, reraise, and cap the overwhelming majority of the time. You aren’t trying to isolate anyone or get people to fold. You have a pot equity edge, and you make the most of it by getting more in the pot.
Ace-king is a little slipperier, as the pot equity edge with the hand isn’t as large. Nevertheless, in the example you provided – a raise and two calls to the big blind – I would similarly 3-bet with AK the large majority of the time. If it’s suited, I reraise 100% of the time.
I haven’t read Harman’s section in a while, so I can’t comment on what she said, but that’s how I would play those hands. Now for the semi-related rant.
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I watched a dvd of a poker conference and at the end it had Doyle, Harman, and one other guy answering questions from the audience.
They were being asked the dumbest questions imagineable but each time the pros were saying ‘it depends’ and telling the fish what to think about rather than offering soundbites.
So I think it’s the TV’s fault, not the pros. Having said that I can think of one player (he’s won 11 bracelets) who’s made quite a nice living from giving soundbite poker advice.