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Q&A #71: Tilt, Poker on TV, and Are They Really Like That?

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Poker on TV has brought millions more players to the game, and it’s shaped their conception of it. The TV players bark, whine, and throw fits. They talk about “seeing into souls” and catching tells from the smallest things. Are they to be believed? Are they just hamming it up for an audience? What’s real and what’s made-for-TV? These questions are brought to us today by thatjimguy,

I was just wondering if pros really can go on tilt or is that just “good tv” when we see guys like Hellmuth blow up during a hand? Anymore, we all can tell that many “reality” programs encourage thier “actors” to liven things up for the sake of the show. Do pros tilt differently? Instead of blowing up do they just simmer? How about you Ed? How do you handle tilt?

How about guys like Mike Caro that talk about being able to read someone just based on how they dress or act. I figure that these could be true in low limit, where players are more touristy. But what about higher limit poker? Can you throw these kinds of tells out the window?

As far as talking to other players, do guys like David Negraneu really get a lot of information off of what you say and how you say it?

As far as “Off the table” reads go, what have you ever noticed when you are playing Ed? What have been the more common and realible ones you have come across?

Basically every poker player can tilt. Of the thousands of poker players I’ve known and played against, I’ve met perhaps one or two exceptions. High-limit players definitely tilt. In fact, high-limit players, in my experience and very generally speaking, tilt more and harder than low-limit players. They scream. They throw cards. They act out. They throw tantrums. In fact, in general I’d say they are typically better behaved on camera than off. If you’re interested in reading about how everyday cash game players misbehave, check out Table Tango, a “behind-the-scenes” writeup by a Bellagio poker dealer that is, perhaps, the longest-running blog I’ve ever heard about it (she started it in 1997 I believe).

So no, I don’t believe Phil Hellmuth is hamming for the cameras. He was like that before TV poker, and he’s like that off camera also. Obviously, some players will ham for the camera, but in general I think when they know they’re on camera, they’ll try to act out less, not more.

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9 Responses to “Q&A #71: Tilt, Poker on TV, and Are They Really Like That?”

Fred
@ Thu May 17, 2007 02:16:38 PM
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“If a normally quiet player starts talking a lot after they’ve put a big bet out there, they have the nuts (or at least feel like they do). If someone sighs and says, “Well, I guess I’m ready to go home,” they have a good hand, and so forth.”

Minor mistake in your otherwise good article?

Todd
@ Thu May 17, 2007 03:06:04 PM
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Come on, Ed. Tell us a story. What’s the silliest thing you ever did while in Vegas on tilt?

thatjimguy
@ Thu May 17, 2007 03:34:07 PM
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Thanks for satisfying my curiosity Ed. I was always wondering about that.

Morrie
@ Thu May 17, 2007 04:15:41 PM
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Speaking of tilt, check out what happened to Terrance Chan’s laptop on his blog:

http://terrencechan.livejournal.com/

Ed Miller
@ Thu May 17, 2007 04:24:30 PM
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Morrie.. great link. If it rolls of his front page, the permalink is:

http://terrencechan.livejournal.com/167464.html

brasilstu
@ Fri May 18, 2007 02:12:30 AM
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Beware of the speech Fred.

Pawel
@ Fri May 18, 2007 02:06:39 PM
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I think it’s pretty sad.
I get fourious when the things that should go the way they should accidentally go wrong, just in the time I need them go wright the way they should (like internet conncetion sucks for 15 minutes just when I’m in the middle of tournament with fairly big stack). sometimes some paranoid thoughts were running through my mind after a month of a bad streak or similar but I got over that kind of stuff.
I managed to destroy/damage couple of things in my life, but I’m working on handling it. It’s been the crucial point in my life for a few years, a few years ago.
Sometimes all the emotions accumulate, even not particularly relating to poker. So lastly I damaged a portable radio, as the anger for the dj being so stupid playing mainly britpop and lots of pop on a rock station cumulated together with internet suck and some idiots winning number of suckouts for a week or so… but I was quite decided to let this radio go, :-) but it’s still working – a little bit worn off :-) )
Things that do realy help great is Dzogchen meditation and feng shui. Selfconciousness and awarness and discipline.

bernie
@ Tue May 22, 2007 04:21:09 AM
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I think one great way to work on tells is to look for them in your own play.

For instance, say you hit your hand on the turn and bet or raise rather quick. Then you realize, whoops, that was a bit too quick. Then ask yourself why you reacted that way. It usually it means someone can’t wait to put their chips in and are too engulfed in their hands. Over excitement. So there you’d catch your self and also see the possible root behind your version of that tell which also lends itself to how to counter-act that action. And so on…

Wow, my first post on Eddie’s page! :)

b

HC
@ Thu May 31, 2007 07:45:04 AM
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Ed, I noticed that you spend a very small amount of time on tells in “Small Stakes Hold ‘Em.” My question for you (or anyone else here) is, how important and/or reliable are physical tells in low-limit hold ‘em? Does the importance of tells change at higher limits, and if so, how?

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