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Q&A #67: Pocket Kings Flop an Ace… Again

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It happens to us all more times than we’d like to count. We build a nice pot with pocket kings and then the flop comes and… BAM! There’s the ace. The way you handle it depends a lot on your opponents, the stack sizes, and more. Let’s look at a situation from Richard:

I’m chewing over a decision I made last night and would like an objective view. I’ve become a regular reader of you articles, which I find both thought-provoking and entertaining, although I have some work to do to catch up: I’m still reading the posts from December 2006. On to the problem:

We’re at the final table of a live NLH tournament: nine players remain, six places pay. I have a stack of around 14BB, which is above average, when I’m dealt K-K in the big blind. There are two limpers ahead of me, and I raise to a total of 5BB. One of the limpers calls. He’s a calling station and seems to call any raise once he’s limped, and has got this far by mostly hitting his hands. After the call, my remaining stack is around the size of the pot, and his is around 3BB less than mine. The flop is A-x-x and I’m out of position. What next?

Given that my opponent has previously called pre-flop raises with holdings such as unsuited medium connectors, I’m unable to guage how likely it is that he holds an ace. I’ve also seen him bet weak draws, so if I check and he bets I’m still not convinced I’m beaten. A small bet would almost certainly be called, and would also commit me.

What happened is that I pushed and he called, showing A-2 off-suit. Against another player I would have given more consideration to retreating after the flop and saving my

Richard didn’t write the last word, but I think we can fill in the blank. Tournaments add an extra level of poker analysis, and they add an extra level of poker psychology too.

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7 Responses to “Q&A #67: Pocket Kings Flop an Ace… Again”

Jason
@ Wed Apr 11, 2007 07:15:46 AM
1

Ed,

How would you feel about a check/raise all in? I feel since we’re not getting away from this hand, it would be more +EV if we check to induce a bet from hands that would fold if we bet, and may bluff if we don’t.

Jason

SKZ
@ Wed Apr 11, 2007 07:45:41 AM
2

why not push preflop`?

Ed Miller
@ Wed Apr 11, 2007 09:30:16 AM
3

Checking is fine if your opponent will bet often. It’s fairly safe since you have kings, and there’s already an ace on board, so no more overcards can come. But depending on how coordinated the board is, the downside is that if you check and your opponent checks, he might pick up a good draw for free and beat you on the river when he would have folded on the flop.

But if you think he’ll bluff often if you check, then checking may well be better.

Raising more preflop or simply moving all-in is fine too. In fact, it may well have been better to do so. The more money you get in preflop, the better.

PeterL
@ Wed Apr 11, 2007 01:29:14 PM
4

I like an all in preflop bet here as you would be happy with just blinds this late in the tourney.

Todd
@ Wed Apr 11, 2007 04:20:21 PM
5

…snip…
“He’s a calling station and seems to call any raise once he’s limped”
…snip…

I’m in the all-in camp as well, though it depends on the limper. More to the point I’m in the “make as big a bet as someone will call” camp. There’s a guy in my regular game that limp/calls to much with weak As, weak Ks and small pocket pairs at the end of tournaments (and the middle and beginning) just like this guy. I’m always all-in there. He’ll call pre-flop, but will fold the flop if he didn’t connect. If your read on the guy is that he won’t call a big bet but will call a small one, then a small raise it is and push on the flop. If you’ve been agressive recently and overshoved or bluffed someone out of a pot, then definitely push in.

I’m not that wild about the check raise possibilities. Passive limp/callers won’t bet unless they really connected with the board, but they will call down with 2nd pair, gut shots, etc. Bet out. That’s way more profitable then expecting a passive guy to bet your hand for you. If you had raised an agressive guy in the BB from the SB, then I’d give him a chance to try and take the pot away, especially since the scare card came.

ardit
@ Thu Apr 19, 2007 05:18:46 PM
6

its like Doyle says with AA or KK (super system)… one of two things can occur, you either lose a big pot or you win a small one. I believe there is no other way to play that hand, and if you were to make a raise, i’d think the only worthy raise would be an all in. Again going back to previously stated options i think i would much rather stick with the latter.

Ewan
@ Mon Sep 10, 2007 01:21:54 PM
7

Isn’t it worth considering, that you don’t want to over commit yourself with KK in this spot?

If you have 14BB, putting in 5BB leaves you no room to get away from it should an Ace flop. If your preflop raise was 3BB, you could bet 5BB on the flop (if an Ace flopped), and fold to a reraise.

While still getting full value from lower flops with your overpair. And still playing fairly safe.

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