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Q&A #55: Aggression in Shorthanded and Heads-Up Pots (aka Oops, I Folded Again)

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One of the first things we learn to do as we get better at poker is to fold. “If you don’t have a good hand, fold.” “You can’t be a winner if you don’t know how to fold a winner.” All true. The first thing you should learn is how to fold.

But when you start playing shorthanded and heads-up limit hold ‘em, especially against aggressive players, that folding training can come back to bite you. Most players I know of go through a stage where they fold too much. For many (I include me), that stage never really ends. When you have a hand you’re not sure about, the instinct is to find where to fold.

The problem, of course, is that a bad fold in a big pot is a lot more expensive than a bad call. Beating someone who folds significantly too much is almost trivial. So you have to learn to walk a line. You don’t want to be a calling station, but you really don’t want to be a folder either. If you have been successful in loose full ring games, and you are now looking to conquer aggressive shorthanded games, you probably need to learn how to call again. It can be a little weird.

Wouter asks,

I am playing on WPEX and get the feeling people are taking shots at me by 3betting/putting more bets in preflop and c/ring the turn, I am talking about limit 6max.

I am not a type of person who will bluff 3bet the turn or tries to many funcy stuff. Mostly when I get 3betted and totally miss the flop I release my hand same goes for the turn c/r. Surely I can read boards good and know when to call down Ahigh in a blind battle or headsup when there was preflop one raise, but I found it harder when multiple bets went in before the flop. Also when lets say the button raises you reraise in the SB with a ok hand like KQ/QJ/Ax etc and he caps behind now on the flop I have no idea what to do when I hit TP or anything else because I immetiatly assume villian has a great hand. But after a sessions of folding allot of flops/turns I have the feeling that this isn’t right, and am not confertable never having a showdown that brings me to the next topic as because I hardly b/f any river.

These are some serious leaks in my game and I hope you have some suggestions for them.

While you don’t have to “try too much fancy stuff,” it does sound like you might be getting pushed around a bit.

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7 Responses to “Q&A #55: Aggression in Shorthanded and Heads-Up Pots (aka Oops, I Folded Again)”

guruman
@ Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:03:24 PM
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very nice sumup of these games.

the other advice I would give would be to drop down a few levels and try to become competent at headsup play.

headsup play mimics many of the blind steal situations that you’ll see in the aggressive wpex shorthanded limit games, and will do a good job of illustrating which hands can showdown in which situations. It’ll also teach handreading and movemaking vs people with wide ranges and low showdown standards.

Wouter
@ Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:57:22 PM
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Nice read as always mr. Miller. I love the state of mind you are giving as in all your artikels. I dont really know how to write this but I can see you still trying to stress it that everything is a learning process which I forget all the time, thanks for pointing it out for me again.

Matt
@ Sun Feb 18, 2007 04:25:05 PM
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Hi Ed,

I have a related question about aggressive games where most pots are two- or three-handed (this includes full-ring games). Should I loosen up with certain hands in shorthanded and heads-up pots?

I’m specifically thinking of overcards. For example, with a hand like AK, is it necessary to devalue all my outs against a single opponent? It seems to me that overcard outs are more valuable in shorthanded situations. Perhaps instead of counting overcards as 3 outs, we count them as 4.5 instead? Say I hold AK on a Q-x-x rainbow board. Against a single opponent, one overcard could make a second-best hand; however, another could give me a winner. This, combined with the fact that ace-high alone might be good, would encourage me to stay in the hand. In short, I think overcard draws have more value in shorthanded pots than they do in multiway pots. Is this line of thinking correct?

Another question: Are middle-pair draws valuable in shorthanded pots? (Again, this includes shorthanded situations in full-ring games.) Suppose I hold AT offsuit on a J-x-x flop with two hearts on the board. Obviously, my ace outs are weak (unless I hold the ace of hearts). But what about the tens? If I hold the ten of hearts, is it worth drawing to the others in a decently sized, but not huge, pot?

Of course, the right move always depends on the opposition and other situational factors. I’m not that concerned with the specific scenarios I’ve outlined above. My main concern is how to handle high-card hands and marginal draws (including backdoor draws) in shorthanded pots.

Thanks,
Matt

uDevil
@ Mon Feb 19, 2007 01:57:07 AM
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This isn’t the easiest problem to solve just via a Q&A on a blog.

What would be the best way to solve this problem (or it’s opposite)? Is this the time to look for a coach?

AKQJ10
@ Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:50:05 AM
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For example, with a hand like AK, is it necessary to devalue all my outs against a single opponent? It seems to me that overcard outs are more valuable in shorthanded situations. Perhaps instead of counting overcards as 3 outs, we count them as 4.5 instead? Say I hold AK on a Q-x-x rainbow board. Against a single opponent, one overcard could make a second-best hand; however, another could give me a winner.

I’m taking your “devalue all my outs,” to be referring to the general thought process that Ed teaches in SSHE. If I’m understanding you correctly, then you’re basing this on material where Ed has taught that you need to consider context very carefully. You certainly shouldn’t be automatically figuring overcards as three outs; sometimes they’ll be better than that. Sometimes, for the reason that you identified (that A-K high has showdown value), they’re effectively worth even more than six outs!

So the short answer is yes, hand values go up in short-handed pots for drawing hands like overcards because your one-pair hand is more likely to be good.

Ed Miller
@ Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:31:43 PM
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Sure, “marginal” hands have more value in heads-up pots because your pair is more likely to be good when it hits. Also, you have a much better chance of a hand like, say, king-high being best. It can definitely be right to stick around with a hand like AT with the T :heart: on a jack-high flop with two hearts. Your A outs, your T outs, and your backdoor heart outs might be good… or you might have the best hand with ace-high.

But that’s not to say that you should always stick around… it depends on the size of the pot and what you put your opponent on, whether you have position or not, and how your opponent plays. But yes, all those little bits of value that you get told in low-limit books aren’t worth much… they add up and can make a lot of difference when you’re playing 3-handed.

Ed Miller
@ Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:34:29 PM
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uDevil,

Honestly, I think the best “coach” is trial and error. It’s hard to “teach” what hand ranges to do this or that with because it depends so strongly on how your opponent plays. It doesn’t even just depend on their hand standards, but it also depends on how they’ll play their hands. If they check modest hands down a lot, then you can call early bets with modest hands more often… because you have a better chance of catching a free showdown. If they push harder with their bad hands, then you can increase your bluff-raising frequency, and you can call down with your medium-to-good hands.

So I think anyone needs to do a lot of trial-and-error to learn to play shorthanded… and part of that trial and error is calling down with some hands that seem really weak “calling-stationy” hands… just to see where that line is.

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