Q&A #55: Aggression in Shorthanded and Heads-Up Pots (aka Oops, I Folded Again)

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One of the first things we learn to do as we get better at poker is to fold. “If you don’t have a good hand, fold.” “You can’t be a winner if you don’t know how to fold a winner.” All true. The first thing you should learn is how ...

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7 Responses to “Q&A #55: Aggression in Shorthanded and Heads-Up Pots (aka Oops, I Folded Again)”

guruman
@ Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:03:24 PM
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very nice sumup of these games.

the other advice I would give would be to drop down a few levels and try to become competent at headsup play.

headsup play mimics many of the blind steal situations that you’ll see in the aggressive wpex shorthanded limit games, and will do a good job of illustrating which hands can showdown in which situations. It’ll also teach handreading and movemaking vs people with wide ranges and low showdown standards.

Wouter
@ Sun Feb 18, 2007 01:57:22 PM
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Nice read as always mr. Miller. I love the state of mind you are giving as in all your artikels. I dont really know how to write this but I can see you still trying to stress it that everything is a learning process which I forget all the time, thanks for pointing it out for me again.

Matt
@ Sun Feb 18, 2007 04:25:05 PM
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Hi Ed,

I have a related question about aggressive games where most pots are two- or three-handed (this includes full-ring games). Should I loosen up with certain hands in shorthanded and heads-up pots?

I’m specifically thinking of overcards. For example, with a hand like AK, is it necessary to devalue all my outs against a single opponent? It seems to me that overcard outs are more valuable in shorthanded situations. Perhaps instead of counting overcards as 3 outs, we count them as 4.5 instead? Say I hold AK on a Q-x-x rainbow board. Against a single opponent, one overcard could make a second-best hand; however, another could give me a winner. This, combined with the fact that ace-high alone might be good, would encourage me to stay in the hand. In short, I think overcard draws have more value in shorthanded pots than they do in multiway pots. Is this line of thinking correct?

Another question: Are middle-pair draws valuable in shorthanded pots? (Again, this includes shorthanded situations in full-ring games.) Suppose I hold AT offsuit on a J-x-x flop with two hearts on the board. Obviously, my ace outs are weak (unless I hold the ace of hearts). But what about the tens? If I hold the ten of hearts, is it worth drawing to the others in a decently sized, but not huge, pot?

Of course, the right move always depends on the opposition and other situational factors. I’m not that concerned with the specific scenarios I’ve outlined above. My main concern is how to handle high-card hands and marginal draws (including backdoor draws) in shorthanded pots.

Thanks,
Matt

uDevil
@ Mon Feb 19, 2007 01:57:07 AM
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This isn’t the easiest problem to solve just via a Q&A on a blog.

What would be the best way to solve this problem (or it’s opposite)? Is this the time to look for a coach?

AKQJ10
@ Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:50:05 AM
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For example, with a hand like AK, is it necessary to devalue all my outs against a single opponent? It seems to me that overcard outs are more valuable in shorthanded situations. Perhaps instead of counting overcards as 3 outs, we count them as 4.5 instead? Say I hold AK on a Q-x-x rainbow board. Against a single opponent, one overcard could make a second-best hand; however, another could give me a winner.

I’m taking your “devalue all my outs,” to be referring to the general thought process that Ed teaches in SSHE. If I’m understanding you correctly, then you’re basing this on material where Ed has taught that you need to consider context very carefully. You certainly shouldn’t be automatically figuring overcards as three outs; sometimes they’ll be better than that. Sometimes, for the reason that you identified (that A-K high has showdown value), they’re effectively worth even more than six outs!

So the short answer is yes, hand values go up in short-handed pots for drawing hands like overcards because your one-pair hand is more likely to be good.

Ed Miller
@ Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:31:43 PM
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Sure, “marginal” hands have more value in heads-up pots because your pair is more likely to be good when it hits. Also, you have a much better chance of a hand like, say, king-high being best. It can definitely be right to stick around with a hand like AT with the T :heart: on a jack-high flop with two hearts. Your A outs, your T outs, and your backdoor heart outs might be good… or you might have the best hand with ace-high.

But that’s not to say that you should always stick around… it depends on the size of the pot and what you put your opponent on, whether you have position or not, and how your opponent plays. But yes, all those little bits of value that you get told in low-limit books aren’t worth much… they add up and can make a lot of difference when you’re playing 3-handed.

Ed Miller
@ Thu Feb 22, 2007 01:34:29 PM
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uDevil,

Honestly, I think the best “coach” is trial and error. It’s hard to “teach” what hand ranges to do this or that with because it depends so strongly on how your opponent plays. It doesn’t even just depend on their hand standards, but it also depends on how they’ll play their hands. If they check modest hands down a lot, then you can call early bets with modest hands more often… because you have a better chance of catching a free showdown. If they push harder with their bad hands, then you can increase your bluff-raising frequency, and you can call down with your medium-to-good hands.

So I think anyone needs to do a lot of trial-and-error to learn to play shorthanded… and part of that trial and error is calling down with some hands that seem really weak “calling-stationy” hands… just to see where that line is.

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