Comments on: Q&A #53: Blind Stealing and Blind Defense – An Overview http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html Training poker players into professional players Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:32:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Phil Ivey http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-14959 Phil Ivey Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:14:22 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-14959 I would of folded :) I would of folded :)

]]> By: Chris http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-10283 Chris Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:01:46 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-10283 "Now you can definitely play short-stacked very profitably in a 6-handed game. In fact, it may be even MORE profitable in 6-handed than in 10-handed. You just have to loosen up from the standards in GSIH. I’ll give more specifics in a future post." Any idea when this future will come to pass? ;-) “Now you can definitely play short-stacked very profitably in a 6-handed game. In fact, it may be even MORE profitable in 6-handed than in 10-handed. You just have to loosen up from the standards in GSIH. I’ll give more specifics in a future post.”

Any idea when this future will come to pass? ;-)

]]> By: uDevil http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3268 uDevil Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:26:00 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3268 Ed, Thanks for addressing to this topic. Check your tip jar. Ed,

Thanks for addressing to this topic. Check your tip jar.

]]> By: despair http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3225 despair Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:18:06 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3225 you could have put this in one liner like it depends...but good read nonethereless, maiby some ranges you would take would be more usefull you could have put this in one liner like it depends…but good read nonethereless, maiby some ranges you would take would be more usefull

]]> By: Daniel http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3183 Daniel Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:35:07 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3183 Hi, I´ve been playing a lot in very tight fullring limit games lately, where many players are have a VPIP 16-20%. So I am wondering mainly, at what position can I start stealing? When I can be relatively shure that the people behind ar all quite unskilled defenders, which means they probably defend with not much more then 10% of their hands. So there my standard is to start off at MP3 with something like every Ace, K8o+, QT+, every pocket pair and loosen up some more when approaching the Button. Could I steal even more? Or is it to way loose to start stealing with almost half the table yet to act? Hi,
I´ve been playing a lot in very tight fullring limit games lately, where many players are have a VPIP 16-20%.
So I am wondering mainly, at what position can I start stealing? When I can be relatively shure that the people behind ar all quite unskilled defenders, which means they probably defend with not much more then 10% of their hands. So there my standard is to start off at MP3 with something like every Ace, K8o+, QT+, every pocket pair and loosen up some more when approaching the Button. Could I steal even more? Or is it to way loose to start stealing with almost half the table yet to act?

]]> By: jamleeco http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3155 jamleeco Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:40:40 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3155 No, I wouldn't, come to think of it. I was trying to resolve differences with limit and thought why not bet out a nice bet,you don't need cr to protect your hand. would that hand be strong enough to chance letting in 3 or 4 before check-raising. I was trying the unfamiliar process of thinking who is most likely to go broke here. I feel I should have come back over the top. I still feel calling would have been the worst of the 3, but maybe not. As a bonus, could you give me an example of a prudent 'weak fold' in no-limit. Thanks Ed. As you can see i am looking at the calendar everyday awaiting the release of your new book. I'm very excited. In the meantime, variance has been sweet to me I am winning a fair rate. Hopefully your book will be out before "live by the variance, die by the variance" has a chance at me. No, I wouldn’t, come to think of it. I was trying to resolve differences with limit and thought why not bet out a nice bet,you don’t need cr to protect your hand. would that hand be strong enough to chance letting in 3 or 4 before check-raising.

I was trying the unfamiliar process of thinking who is most likely to go broke here.

I feel I should have come back over the top. I still feel calling would have been the worst of the 3, but maybe not.

As a bonus, could you give me an example of a prudent ‘weak fold’ in no-limit.

Thanks Ed.

As you can see i am looking at the calendar everyday awaiting the release of your new book. I’m very excited. In the meantime, variance has been sweet to me I am winning a fair rate. Hopefully your book will be out before “live by the variance, die by the variance” has a chance at me.

]]> By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3153 Ed Miller Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:19:35 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3153 Well, don't feel too bad about it. No limit requires you to make "weak" folds like that at times. I just don't think this was quite the right time. Specifically, I think it's too likely your opponent had a queen or some draw to just give up. Remember, it's a limped pot, and the only aggression thus far is your flop bet in a QJ4 board. If you had AQ (a very reasonable limping hand for the small blind), would you think you were behind at this point? Well, don’t feel too bad about it. No limit requires you to make “weak” folds like that at times. I just don’t think this was quite the right time. Specifically, I think it’s too likely your opponent had a queen or some draw to just give up. Remember, it’s a limped pot, and the only aggression thus far is your flop bet in a QJ4 board. If you had AQ (a very reasonable limping hand for the small blind), would you think you were behind at this point?

]]> By: jamleeco http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3146 jamleeco Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:56:02 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3146 Ed and Shrike, Yeah, I stewed for the next half hour. I felt like I couldn't think fast enough and monsters under the bed weakass fold. No, in my mind QJ or 44 didn't seem that likely. One thing I at least think I have noticed in my no-limit conversion is that I get a free play in big blind, flop what appears to be decent hand with a hand I normally would never play, and then get my ass lit up. Or not win much. So I was taken by surprise, made a fold I probably have never made before, felt like a puss and thus have posted this with my shame on open display. I wondered if I should have gone for cr myself but I don't like to get cute with bottom 2. I guess my rushed faulty thinking was I couldn't put what seemed like a tight player check-raising with a weaker hand than my bottom 2. But yes, I felt the flushed cheeks of weak-tight self-humiliation immediately after. Ed and Shrike, Yeah, I stewed for the next half hour. I felt like I couldn’t think fast enough and monsters under the bed weakass fold. No, in my mind QJ or 44 didn’t seem that likely.

One thing I at least think I have noticed in my no-limit conversion is that I get a free play in big blind, flop what appears to be decent hand with a hand I normally would never play, and then get my ass lit up. Or not win much.

So I was taken by surprise, made a fold I probably have never made before, felt like a puss and thus have posted this with my shame on open display. I wondered if I should have gone for cr myself but I don’t like to get cute with bottom 2.

I guess my rushed faulty thinking was I couldn’t put what seemed like a tight player check-raising with a weaker hand than my bottom 2. But yes, I felt the flushed cheeks of weak-tight self-humiliation immediately after.

]]> By: JJS http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3125 JJS Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:12:49 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3125 Ed says: "Usually the logic goes like this, 'The blinds come around a lot more often, so each hand costs a lot more to play. If I keep playing tight, I’ll just get blinded out, so I need to start playing a lot more hands to compensate.' That 'logic' is severely flawed." This is yet another reason why it's bad to try to learn about poker by watching it on TV. Just about all of the TV commentators I have seen preach that flawed logic. Ed says: “Usually the logic goes like this, ‘The blinds come around a lot more often, so each hand costs a lot more to play. If I keep playing tight, I’ll just get blinded out, so I need to start playing a lot more hands to compensate.’ That ‘logic’ is severely flawed.”

This is yet another reason why it’s bad to try to learn about poker by watching it on TV. Just about all of the TV commentators I have seen preach that flawed logic.

]]> By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html/comment-page-1#comment-3113 Ed Miller Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:45:25 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-53-blind-stealing-and-blind-defense-an-overview.html#comment-3113 I agree that the fold is likely too weak. I think the hand is interesting, and I plan to discuss it sometime in the next few days. I agree that the fold is likely too weak. I think the hand is interesting, and I plan to discuss it sometime in the next few days.

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