Comments on: Q&A #26: When to Drop the Hammer with a Flopped Set http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html Training poker players into professional players Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:32:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html/comment-page-1#comment-135 Ed Miller Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:08:45 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html#comment-135 jamleeco, You played fine. The best way to respond to the flop raise and call is a reraise. I think your amount is fine. After the BB moves in, your chances diminish significantly, but getting 2-to-1 you have an easy call. Even if he shows you a straight, calling getting 2-to-1 is basically break-even since you're in the neighborhood of 2-to-1 to fill up. If the stacks were much deeper, then you might have a decision. But with the stacks this depth, you're going to the felt with the hand. jamleeco,

You played fine. The best way to respond to the flop raise and call is a reraise. I think your amount is fine. After the BB moves in, your chances diminish significantly, but getting 2-to-1 you have an easy call. Even if he shows you a straight, calling getting 2-to-1 is basically break-even since you’re in the neighborhood of 2-to-1 to fill up.

If the stacks were much deeper, then you might have a decision. But with the stacks this depth, you’re going to the felt with the hand.

]]> By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html/comment-page-1#comment-132 Ed Miller Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:06:29 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html#comment-132 It's not always possible. Poker writers (including me) sometimes fall into the trap of saying "bet enough so he can't call." But making the call unprofitable is not a magic number. It's not like you always have to get there to play right. Often you can't. You really just want to make it as unprofitable as possible. Every extra dollar you bet on the flop hurts the player with a flush draw. That is, until you've bet enough that they lose money if they call. My point is that you have to strike a balance: Bet enough to really hurt the flush draws on one hand, and bet not so much that you'll blow everyone out on the other. On a draw-heavy board like this one, you should err on the big side. It’s not always possible. Poker writers (including me) sometimes fall into the trap of saying “bet enough so he can’t call.” But making the call unprofitable is not a magic number. It’s not like you always have to get there to play right. Often you can’t. You really just want to make it as unprofitable as possible.

Every extra dollar you bet on the flop hurts the player with a flush draw. That is, until you’ve bet enough that they lose money if they call. My point is that you have to strike a balance: Bet enough to really hurt the flush draws on one hand, and bet not so much that you’ll blow everyone out on the other. On a draw-heavy board like this one, you should err on the big side.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html/comment-page-1#comment-131 Anonymous Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:48:19 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html#comment-131 <blockquote>You want the bet to be big enough that flush draws are wrong to call, but small enough that someone with top pair or an overpair will still at least consider calling.</blockquote> How is this possible?

You want the bet to be big enough that flush draws are wrong to call, but small enough that someone with top pair or an overpair will still at least consider calling.

How is this possible?

]]> By: jamleeco http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html/comment-page-1#comment-130 jamleeco Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:19:51 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/qa/qa-26-when-to-drop-the-hammer-with-a-flopped-set.html#comment-130 Ed, I was going to ask about a flopped set when I got home from playing tonight, but it was almost identical to this hand ( hand and board-wise) except I was out of position and no raise preflop. ( and cash game) I called in sb with a pair of 3's after 2 limpers ( I have a 95 bb stack to start ). BB checks. The flop comes 2 3 5 with two diamonds. I bet the pot ( approx. 3 bb's / rake subtracted) . The bb raises to 8 bb's, one caller and back to me. After matching it the pot is 27 bb's. I raise an additional 33 bb's. The bb goes all in. ( caller folds) My 33 plus 60 bb's more. I had 55 bb's left, was gettin 2-1 on a call, ( had no read on this player, it was his 3rd hand) and I called what turned out to be his flopped straight with a 4 6. I was not upset except worrying I messed it up. I thought calling the flop raise was terrible. Should I have reraised less? or more ? I felt this was a hand I was going all the way with considering my stack wasn't huge. Or considering the board , the action , and no read was this attitude stupid? Ed,
I was going to ask about a flopped set when I got home from playing tonight, but it was almost identical to this hand ( hand and board-wise) except I was out of position and no raise preflop. ( and cash game)

I called in sb with a pair of 3′s after 2 limpers ( I have a 95 bb stack to start ). BB checks.

The flop comes 2 3 5 with two diamonds. I bet the pot ( approx. 3 bb’s / rake subtracted) . The bb raises to 8 bb’s, one caller and back to me. After matching it the pot is 27 bb’s. I raise an additional 33 bb’s.

The bb goes all in. ( caller folds) My 33 plus 60 bb’s more. I had 55 bb’s left, was gettin 2-1 on a call, ( had no read on this player, it was his 3rd hand) and I called what turned out to be his flopped straight with a 4 6.

I was not upset except worrying I messed it up. I thought calling the flop raise was terrible. Should I have reraised less? or more ? I felt this was a hand I was going all the way with considering my stack wasn’t huge. Or considering the board , the action , and no read was this attitude stupid?

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