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Q&A #26: When to Drop the Hammer with a Flopped Set

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j22jblue asks,

Dropping the HammerLove the site! I’m a big fan of your work and I am eagerly anticipating your new release, Small Stakes No-Limit Hold’em. I was hoping you might peruse a hand of mine that I played from the Sunday Million event on Party Poker (back when U.S. players were still allowed to play). I think it’s a pretty tricky spot even though I do have a strong hand; however, I’m pretty sure I butchered it.

Early in the 200K event on Party Poker. It’s a $215 buy-in with 950 players. Blinds are 30/60 and I have 5,000 chips. Everyone is roughly equally deep. It’s about twenty minutes into the event with no real reads on any of the opponents yet.

After four players fold, a middle postion player raises the minimum. It gets folded to me on the button with 7 :spade: 7 :heart: . I call and the small blind and BB call. There are four players in the pot and 480 in the middle.

The flop comes: 6 :diamond: 7 :club: 9 :diamond: , giving me middle set on a three-straight, two-flush board. The small blind bets out 100, the big blind folds and the middle position player calls. There is 680 in the pot and it is 100 to me.

I decide to just call and see what the turn brings. A pretty bad card: 6 :diamond: 7 :club: 9 :diamond: (3 :diamond: ), completing the flush and the 45 straight. The small blind checks and the middle position player now bets 659 into the 780 pot. It’s up to me.

I decide to call and the small blind calls as well. The river comes: 6 :diamond: 7 :club: 9 :diamond: 3 :diamond: (T :club: ), completing the up and down one-card straight. The small blind checks as does the middle position player. There is 2,757 chips in the pot and I have 4,200 left in my stack, as do the other players roughly. I check.

The small blind shows J :diamond: T :diamond: for the turned flush and the middle position player shows pocket Threes for a turned set. I guess I played the preflop and river rounds well, but did I butcher the flop and the turn? How would you have played it on all streets?

It’s sometimes hard to tell whether you should “drop the hammer” immediately when you flop a big hand, or whether you should string your opponent(s) along a bit. But I feel very strongly about this hand.

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4 Responses to “Q&A #26: When to Drop the Hammer with a Flopped Set”

jamleeco
@ Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:19:51 PM
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Ed,
I was going to ask about a flopped set when I got home from playing tonight, but it was almost identical to this hand ( hand and board-wise) except I was out of position and no raise preflop. ( and cash game)

I called in sb with a pair of 3′s after 2 limpers ( I have a 95 bb stack to start ). BB checks.

The flop comes 2 3 5 with two diamonds. I bet the pot ( approx. 3 bb’s / rake subtracted) . The bb raises to 8 bb’s, one caller and back to me. After matching it the pot is 27 bb’s. I raise an additional 33 bb’s.

The bb goes all in. ( caller folds) My 33 plus 60 bb’s more. I had 55 bb’s left, was gettin 2-1 on a call, ( had no read on this player, it was his 3rd hand) and I called what turned out to be his flopped straight with a 4 6.

I was not upset except worrying I messed it up. I thought calling the flop raise was terrible. Should I have reraised less? or more ? I felt this was a hand I was going all the way with considering my stack wasn’t huge. Or considering the board , the action , and no read was this attitude stupid?

Anonymous
@ Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:48:19 AM
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You want the bet to be big enough that flush draws are wrong to call, but small enough that someone with top pair or an overpair will still at least consider calling.

How is this possible?

Ed Miller
@ Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:06:29 AM
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It’s not always possible. Poker writers (including me) sometimes fall into the trap of saying “bet enough so he can’t call.” But making the call unprofitable is not a magic number. It’s not like you always have to get there to play right. Often you can’t. You really just want to make it as unprofitable as possible.

Every extra dollar you bet on the flop hurts the player with a flush draw. That is, until you’ve bet enough that they lose money if they call. My point is that you have to strike a balance: Bet enough to really hurt the flush draws on one hand, and bet not so much that you’ll blow everyone out on the other. On a draw-heavy board like this one, you should err on the big side.

Ed Miller
@ Wed Dec 06, 2006 03:08:45 PM
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jamleeco,

You played fine. The best way to respond to the flop raise and call is a reraise. I think your amount is fine. After the BB moves in, your chances diminish significantly, but getting 2-to-1 you have an easy call. Even if he shows you a straight, calling getting 2-to-1 is basically break-even since you’re in the neighborhood of 2-to-1 to fill up.

If the stacks were much deeper, then you might have a decision. But with the stacks this depth, you’re going to the felt with the hand.

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