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Q&A #123: Sticking It To Light 3-Bettors

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Light 3-betting plays a large role in online 6-max games. If you fold too often to potentially light 3-bets, you risk getting run over. If you play back too often at potentially light 3-bets, you risk giving too much action. It can be a fine line.

Today’s question comes from James Cho about a hand where he decided to play back at someone who had been 3-betting him lightly.

[I]n one of your vids, you mentioned that pushing the flop after calling a 3B pf should be a bread-n-butter play saying that if our opponent is an aggro cbet’er, you can profitably push the flop given that we have about 25% equity.

MY QUESTION:

100 NL, 100BB eff stacks.
I raise K :spade: J :spade: from the BTN first-in, aggro player (26/23) 3B from BB, I call.

Flop comes 4 :heart: 3 :heart: 8 :spade: . ($24 in the pot)

Villain bets $13.25, I raise to $30, villain pushes $88.50, I fold.

Question 1) I wasn’t sure if i should push all-in on the flop because he bet HALF pot instead of full pot. In the examples from your video, villain bet full or close to full pot. Is it still a PUSH given that villain only bets half the pot? OR is my play of raising about 2.5x OK, folding to a push?

Question 2) What if we were deep stacked? After he cbets the flop, surely shoving can’t be right. So, shall we raise to 2.5x? 3x? How much should we raise? I also assume that if our raise gets called, we’re done with our hand unless we spike a K or J. Yes?

This is why I generally prefer to half-pot the flop on a c-bet after my 3-bet. It creates somewhat of an awkward stack size for my opponent.

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3 Responses to “Q&A #123: Sticking It To Light 3-Bettors”

SBruno
@ Tue Mar 10, 2009 06:21:30 AM
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Is it really correct to call a simple reraise “3-betting” in no-limit? It is an obscure limit term, very confusing in a no-limit article. This “3B from BB” style makes it even more difficult to decypher the whole thing. And what does “aggro player (26/23)” mean?

Ed Miller
@ Tue Mar 10, 2009 08:43:10 AM
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SBruno,

I don’t know if it’s “correct” or not, but the term “3-Betting” is used frequently in online no-limit discussions.

The 26/23 indicates two stats calculated by a tracking program such as Hold’em Manager or PokerTracker 3. The 26 is the Voluntarily Put Money In The Pot stat, and indicates that the player puts extra (i.e., not blind) money in the pot on 26% of all his preflop hands. In a 6-max game, this is a slightly loose number, but well within the range of how good players play.

The 23 is the Preflop Raise percentage. Since the number is very close to the 26 VP$IP, it indicates that this player almost always raises when he puts money in the pot preflop, rarely calling. Again, this is typical of good players, though some players do more cold-calling and would have stats that look more like 26/20 or 26/21.

In other words, a 26/23 player plays a slightly loose and aggressive game preflop, and often will continue to play aggressively after the flop.

SBruno
@ Wed Mar 11, 2009 06:15:48 AM
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Thanks for the explanation.

Of terminology: as far as I know, books avoid the use of “3-betting” and use “reraise” instead.

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