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Q&A #107: Classifying Tournament Stages

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Cash games tend to be relatively static. The blinds don’t change. The stack sizes can vary, but they tend to vary from fairly deep to really deep. And after any hand you can get up from the table and cash your chips in for dollars. So each chip is always worth to you at least the face value of the chip.

(It’s argued by some people that cash game chips in capped buy-in games can be worth more than their face value when your stack is above the cap. For instance, if the cap on a buy-in is $500, and you have $800, and two bad players have $1,500, then your chips between $500 and $800 are worth somewhat more than $300 because you can’t easily replace them and you can expect them to increase in value over time as you play hands with the bad players. This viewpoint has theoretical merit, but my opinion is that in most practical situations this slight extra value shouldn’t change your play very often because you can never count on those bad players remaining at the table or keeping their stacks. So I tend to ignore this argument except in extreme cases, and I tend to view with skepticism anyone’s argument for sweeping strategic adjustments based on this effect.)

Back to the main point. Cash games tend to keep some values relatively constant: blind sizes, antes, stack sizes, chip values, etc. In tournaments these things are all variable, and mastering the changes in strategy due to these changing variables is the key tournament skill. This brings us to today’s question from CJDCR.

In GSIH, on page 176, the “Middle Phase” of a MTT is defined as when the average stack = 10BB. At least on PokerStars, I am not seeing this happen in most of the MTTs I am playing. The average stack is always > 10BB. Can anyone coment on this? By this definition, all of the MTTS go from the “Early Phase” to the “Bubble Phase.”

I placed 10th in a 360-seat turbo last night on PokerStars and noticed that this time, it did reach an avg. stack of 10BB. However, I believe it was after the bubble burst. Again, GSIH mentioned this would happen between the early phase and the bubble phase. It also mentioned it usually happens after 2-4 blind levels.

Are there a significant number of tournaments I am not playing – either live (very limited experience) or online – where the phases occur as mentioned in GSIH? Or is there a more useful guideline than 10BB?

The reason I ask is as follows:

According to GSIH, the early phase is regarded as similar to cash games and the bubble and prize phases are regarded as similar to SNGs. Therefore, although my primary focus is on MTTs, working on my cash game and SNG game would help with my early phase play and bubble/prize phase play, respectively. The middle stage (avg. stack = 10BB) is regarded as similar to satellite play. If this phase exists, I would want to work on satellite play to help with my middle phase game. However, if this middle phase is virtually nonexistent in most tournaments, I would not bother practicing with satellites.

Well, indeed in live tournaments it’s quite common to have average stacks around the 10BB level after a few rounds. But that actual number isn’t so important.

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3 Responses to “Q&A #107: Classifying Tournament Stages”

Nico
@ Sat May 31, 2008 11:06:32 PM
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The word “prizes” was used twice with different meanings. It was confusing and caused a re-read.

weirdrash
@ Sun Jun 01, 2008 09:49:17 AM
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Nice article Ed.

I submitted it to RoundersBuzz.com

CJDCR
@ Mon Jun 02, 2008 06:10:16 PM
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Ed,

I greatly appreciate the response to my question. I am a fan of your writing style and approach to poker. I also have PNL Vol. 1 and can’t wait for Vol. 2.

It sounds like the satellite/middle stage greatly depends on structure. For the online MTTs I am currently playing, it sounds like it might begin around an average “M” or “CSI” of 10. Out of a 360-seat tourney, this occurs around the time the antes kick in and the field is down to the last 1/3. I would also consider this a pre-bubble stage as I feel the bubble starts around 1.5 X the number of cash places. In this situation, the final 36 cash, so the bubble would start around the last 54 (36 X 1.5).

Besides GSIH, I am a big fan of Kill Phil. Its authors describe this period (last 1/3 with average CSI or M of 10) as the “Move-In” stage. There is some postflop play with limped hands or among the bigger stacks, but many, if not most, hands are push or fold preflop, as you described. I think the main difference between GSIH analysis and Kill Phil analysis of this stage is that they see the “Move-in” stage as lasting throughout the remainder of the MTT (unless the average M or CSI rises above 10 again). GSIH describes a shift out of the middle/satellite phase to the bubble/prize phase with more of a SNG strategy.

I was hoping you could clarify one more point in my question. Do most, if not all, MTTs have a middle/satellite stage, or do you ever see structures that go from the early/cash phase directly to the bubble/SNG phase? I would think all MTTs have a middle/satellite stage because as long as there are deeper stacks and smaller blinds (resembling early/cash game play), there is no pressure to approach the bubble phase for the field as a whole. If you are saying most, if not all, MTTs have the middle/satellite stage, I think I can figure out generally at what point it occurs based on your response.

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