Comments on: Out of Position in No-Limit? No Problem… If You’re Against the Right Opponents http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html Training poker players into professional players Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:32:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8414 Ed Miller Thu, 17 May 2007 14:51:23 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8414 Sunshine, Fairly soon right now is July 15. The date could move a bit from that, but it shouldn't move much. Sunshine,

Fairly soon right now is July 15. The date could move a bit from that, but it shouldn’t move much.

]]> By: Sunshine http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8408 Sunshine Thu, 17 May 2007 07:03:37 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8408 Hello Ed, whens fairly soon. Hello Ed, whens fairly soon.

]]> By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8380 Ed Miller Wed, 16 May 2007 10:14:36 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8380 Sunshine, I'm presuming SKZ heard about it in <a href="http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=books&Number=10373134&page=0&fpart=all" rel="nofollow">this thread</a>. It's part of the new book. I've been asked not to spoil the book, so I won't. It should be out fairly soon, so when it's out I'll talk more about it. Sunshine,

I’m presuming SKZ heard about it in this thread. It’s part of the new book.

I’ve been asked not to spoil the book, so I won’t. It should be out fairly soon, so when it’s out I’ll talk more about it.

]]> By: Sunshine http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8377 Sunshine Wed, 16 May 2007 07:55:21 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8377 Hello Ed, SKZ asked whats a REM process, I have never heard of this before could you expand on this a bit as anything that helps the decision making process has to be a major asset to us poor confused 1/2 NL players. Hello Ed, SKZ asked whats a REM process, I have never heard of this before could you expand on this a bit as anything that helps the decision making process has to be a major asset to us poor confused 1/2 NL players.

]]> By: SKZ http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8376 SKZ Wed, 16 May 2007 05:03:46 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8376 what exactly does REm stand for what exactly does REm stand for

]]> By: Ed Miller http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8373 Ed Miller Wed, 16 May 2007 00:55:12 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8373 SKZ, It's a decision-making process for no-limit. It helps you figure out what play you should make. SKZ,

It’s a decision-making process for no-limit. It helps you figure out what play you should make.

]]> By: SKZ http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8351 SKZ Tue, 15 May 2007 05:20:35 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8351 ED whats a "REM process"? ED whats a “REM process”?

]]> By: jamleeco http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8330 jamleeco Mon, 14 May 2007 16:15:44 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8330 Pss. You included 45s and 45o in his hand ranges so a 2 isn't actually "another blank". Pss. You included 45s and 45o in his hand ranges so a 2 isn’t actually “another blank”.

]]> By: jamleeco http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8329 jamleeco Mon, 14 May 2007 16:12:33 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8329 Ps. Also, in this particluar hand, I would have expected a reraise on the flop from a good player and tp or overpair. He might slowplay a set here. I think more likely something like K6s or pocket 5's or something,mabye even QJs. Waiting to see what you do on the turn and take it if you blink.( or turn hits him ) I would feel better here with a good player who, if you have any respect at the table, a good chance you can fold him on the turn. If worst comes to worst, buy more chips. and write down his play in your notebook. Ps. Also, in this particluar hand, I would have expected a reraise on the flop from a good player and tp or overpair. He might slowplay a set here. I think more likely something like K6s or pocket 5′s or something,mabye even QJs. Waiting to see what you do on the turn and take it if you blink.( or turn hits him ) I would feel better here with a good player who, if you have any respect at the table, a good chance you can fold him on the turn. If worst comes to worst, buy more chips. and write down his play in your notebook.

]]> By: jamleeco http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html/comment-page-1#comment-8328 jamleeco Mon, 14 May 2007 16:03:02 +0000 http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/no-limit-hold-em/out-of-position-in-no-limit-no-problem-if-youre-against-the-right-opponents.html#comment-8328 bsheck, Yeah, I'm not saying always do this play. generically not knowing the game circumstances I would usually do what I stated. I don't think he will automatically call the rr with postion when you have raised more than the size of the pot. (10bb to a 8bb pot). I have a strong hand and I am going to make him pay to make me play out of position. On the post-flop scenario I like check-raising even after having raised pre-flop. As stated, it depends how he/she perceives you as well, how you have been playing. If he thinks you're pretty aggressive I don't feel comfortable with the big pot A-high. But if he thinks you are average then I think you are going to win an even bigger pot by raising pre-flop and then check-raising the flop a good bit of the time. I think the continuation bet is fine here too. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not expert enough to feel comfortable in this postion. But if you just call pre-flop he could really be raising with anything (practically ) By reraising and him calling i'm a little more comfortable with this flop. Chances of an overpair or set are slight ( you hurt AA and KK chances with your hand ) A good player will lay down some hands that beat you here, and a call on the flop might be to see if you will fire another barrell. If he has a set, well, I would stack off here if I had an overpair anyway against a set. So I think you still have decent fold equity on the turn, and if he has tp you still have maybe 6 outs to river. And you might be ahead. I might overbet the pot on the flop as well. I would do that with a T and decent kicker sometimes with a nice pot like that. I know you have to consider pot-size control, hands like this aren't as strong as in limit. But 100bb's isn't hugely deep. If you feel the other player is better than you than you might just call and see if you hit flop and be glad you have position on him the majority of the time. To reiterate, depends on earlier play as well. Has he folded the button in this scenario a few times or is this his standard play? But to play the game, i think you have to play back sometimes in this scenario. Though as I said earlier, that's easier said than done. I like Todd's way for my nerves, definitely. bsheck,

Yeah, I’m not saying always do this play. generically not knowing the game circumstances I would usually do what I stated.
I don’t think he will automatically call the rr with postion when you have raised more than the size of the pot. (10bb to a 8bb pot).

I have a strong hand and I am going to make him pay to make me play out of position.

On the post-flop scenario I like check-raising even after having raised pre-flop. As stated, it depends how he/she perceives you as well, how you have been playing. If he thinks you’re pretty aggressive I don’t feel comfortable with the big pot A-high. But if he thinks you are average then I think you are going to win an even bigger pot by raising pre-flop and then check-raising the flop a good bit of the time.

I think the continuation bet is fine here too. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not expert enough to feel comfortable in this postion. But if you just call pre-flop he could really be raising with anything (practically ) By reraising and him calling i’m a little more comfortable with this flop. Chances of an overpair or set are slight ( you hurt AA and KK chances with your hand ) A good player will lay down some hands that beat you here, and a call on the flop might be to see if you will fire another barrell. If he has a set, well, I would stack off here if I had an overpair anyway against a set. So I think you still have decent fold equity on the turn, and if he has tp you still have maybe 6 outs to river. And you might be ahead.

I might overbet the pot on the flop as well. I would do that with a T and decent kicker sometimes with a nice pot like that.

I know you have to consider pot-size control, hands like this aren’t as strong as in limit. But 100bb’s isn’t hugely deep. If you feel the other player is better than you than you might just call and see if you hit flop and be glad you have position on him the majority of the time.

To reiterate, depends on earlier play as well. Has he folded the button in this scenario a few times or is this his standard play?

But to play the game, i think you have to play back sometimes in this scenario. Though as I said earlier, that’s easier said than done. I like Todd’s way for my nerves, definitely.

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