Hand Discussion #4: My Thoughts
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Two days ago I posted a no limit hand for discussion. Here’s a recap of the hand:
Live no-limit full ring ( fairly loose and wild with lots of payoffs )
[Stack Sizes are largely missing, so I'm making them up. Hero on button has 200BB. The big blind has 88BB. The limpers have 90BB and 140BB respectively. Everyone else has around 100BB.]
2 limpers to me on the button, I raise to 3x bb to sweeten the pot with A
T
Flop comes Q
. All 3 check to me. Right as I bet 10bb’s into the 12bb pot, I simultaneously remembered you remarking somewhere that USUALLY you are better off to take the free card. So, A) How big of a mistake was this? B) when is a not usually scenario and if you are going to bet it how do you size it ?
BB calls, one fold , mp limper raises to 20 bb’s, I call, and now BB goes all in for 65bb’s more ( I have him covered with 200 bb’s). [Detail added: MP limper now folds.] So 65bb’s to me and there are now 137 bb’s in the pot, so roughly 2.3 to call, felt I had to because of the odds? ( He had 2 pair which I considered along with a set or top pair only ).
Was I right to call here?
To borrow your analogy, I felt like I once again stepped in doo poo and this time I could NOT get it off my shoe.
I thought some of the comments people made in the initial post were excellent. Here are my thoughts.
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Tags: Adjusting Your Play, aggression, fold-equity, hand-discussion, loose-aggressive, no-limit-holdem, semibluff
Ed,
Quick question on the initial raise. It seems like the initial raise leaves us in a place where we c-bet our draw, get check raised by some top pair or rattier draw and we move in. The bets are all the right size to end up with us getting all of our money in with maximum leverage. That seems to be the sort of line that this hand is built for. When you limp, are you saying that because this is a loose game, we really should be discounting fold equity a bit and looking to make a hand before moving in? So, if this were a medium or tighter game, you’d see value in the pre-flop raise, where a bigger playing game accentuates your fold equity? Or do you think the 3BB raise is a bad one in all but the tightest of conditions?
Thanks,
Todd