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		<title>By: qperA6</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you call, you’re going to get shown a better hand a lot, but you only need to win about 30% of the time&quot;

After making the math it looks like the break even point is 18.6%, so in fact you should be more willing to call the river in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you call, you’re going to get shown a better hand a lot, but you only need to win about 30% of the time&#8221;</p>
<p>After making the math it looks like the break even point is 18.6%, so in fact you should be more willing to call the river in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: karbyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>karbyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>threads ... see my comments on the original post
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>threads &#8230; see my comments on the original post<br />
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		<title>By: threads13</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm... I never thought of c/r&#039;ing the turn.  That&#039;s pretty spiffy.  

Nowadays, I would be a little more apt to bet this flop but I would be a little less apt to bet it if it didn&#039;t contain the flush draw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230; I never thought of c/r&#8217;ing the turn.  That&#8217;s pretty spiffy.  </p>
<p>Nowadays, I would be a little more apt to bet this flop but I would be a little less apt to bet it if it didn&#8217;t contain the flush draw.</p>
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		<title>By: Amyad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amyad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello &quot;poker authority&quot; :). Your thought about this are interesting. Just because they are based on maths in general and bet sizes specifically.
However, i want to expose you my point of view:

The preflop play is good. Maybe if you raised 4BB preflop the speculative hands would fold. With a 3BB preflop raise is more likely to your opponents to enter the pot.

While the preflop play is not so questionable...because there are many ways to play it and a lot of them are decent ways...the flop play is a little bad, on my opinion of course. That&#039;s because counting that an unpaired hand will flop one of his hand cards only a 34% of the time...a continue bet is a good option, if you check and your opponent bets, the best option may be raise him. I&#039;ll explain; When you do the continue bet, its possible that your opponent folds, then you have protected your hand. If he calls you can expect a king or a flush draw from him most of the times, so if the turn were a non-dangerous card, you can do the second barrel relatively safe. If your opponent raises, you can think that he&#039;s trying to steal you and call...doing the second barrel on turn (if your opponent doesn&#039;t fold, you&#039;re beat). On the other hand, you can expect what he has when he raises the flop by looking at his stats.

Finally, the turn was horrible when your opponent bet $2 in a $11 pot and you just called. A good way to estimate if you&#039;re ahead or behind could be raise him as a value raise.

So that&#039;s all..oh!! i would like to say also that when you check the river you&#039;re opponent may think (should think) that you dont have a good made hand on that board or you was just on a drawing flush...

I hope you will make changes on your play, not only based on maths, also on psycho. I mean with that...if we play to a game when i have a coin and i put it on one of my hands and if you know which is the hand where the coin is, you win $1, if you&#039;re wrong i win $1. Sincerelly, we are not in a game where the EV is 0 as you can expect. The psycho counts, it&#039;s your goal to be better than me on that for keep a positive EV.

Greetings,

Amyad.

(contact me please, i would like to talk with you of a few things...you have my mail, see you)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello &#8220;poker authority&#8221; <img src='http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Your thought about this are interesting. Just because they are based on maths in general and bet sizes specifically.<br />
However, i want to expose you my point of view:</p>
<p>The preflop play is good. Maybe if you raised 4BB preflop the speculative hands would fold. With a 3BB preflop raise is more likely to your opponents to enter the pot.</p>
<p>While the preflop play is not so questionable&#8230;because there are many ways to play it and a lot of them are decent ways&#8230;the flop play is a little bad, on my opinion of course. That&#8217;s because counting that an unpaired hand will flop one of his hand cards only a 34% of the time&#8230;a continue bet is a good option, if you check and your opponent bets, the best option may be raise him. I&#8217;ll explain; When you do the continue bet, its possible that your opponent folds, then you have protected your hand. If he calls you can expect a king or a flush draw from him most of the times, so if the turn were a non-dangerous card, you can do the second barrel relatively safe. If your opponent raises, you can think that he&#8217;s trying to steal you and call&#8230;doing the second barrel on turn (if your opponent doesn&#8217;t fold, you&#8217;re beat). On the other hand, you can expect what he has when he raises the flop by looking at his stats.</p>
<p>Finally, the turn was horrible when your opponent bet $2 in a $11 pot and you just called. A good way to estimate if you&#8217;re ahead or behind could be raise him as a value raise.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s all..oh!! i would like to say also that when you check the river you&#8217;re opponent may think (should think) that you dont have a good made hand on that board or you was just on a drawing flush&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope you will make changes on your play, not only based on maths, also on psycho. I mean with that&#8230;if we play to a game when i have a coin and i put it on one of my hands and if you know which is the hand where the coin is, you win $1, if you&#8217;re wrong i win $1. Sincerelly, we are not in a game where the EV is 0 as you can expect. The psycho counts, it&#8217;s your goal to be better than me on that for keep a positive EV.</p>
<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Amyad.</p>
<p>(contact me please, i would like to talk with you of a few things&#8230;you have my mail, see you)</p>
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		<title>By: kerberos</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for my English !

I have a question to the line turn checkraise / river barrel.

If the opponent calls the raise,
what should be the bet sizes in the different scenarios :

1) The river completes the flush
2) The river is a Jack
3) A Blank river card.</description>
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<p>I have a question to the line turn checkraise / river barrel.</p>
<p>If the opponent calls the raise,<br />
what should be the bet sizes in the different scenarios :</p>
<p>1) The river completes the flush<br />
2) The river is a Jack<br />
3) A Blank river card.</p>
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