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Ed’s Spring Poker Thoughts

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Here are some quick thoughts for this warm Spring morning.

  • There’s a lot of money to be made on the river in the $1-$2 6-max no-limit games on Full Tilt. A lot of the regulars miss value bets a lot, and they fold too many hands to overbet shoves even if you aren’t really representing anything too plausible. So you can get a pretty good edge on them by value betting well and choosing your spots where they have a weak range to shove. To some extent the folding to shoves is an ok adjustment for the games because most of the players aren’t overbet shoving often enough as a bluff.
  • I’ve installed the PokerTracker 3 Beta and have been using it. The HUD’s a little buggy, but the new features are really nice. The preflop 3-bet and fold to 3-bet stats in particular are immensely useful. It’s a lot easier to choose good spots to 3-bet and 4-bet light when you have those stats in the HUD. For some reason a lot of the 19/16-type regulars’ names run together in my head, and I had trouble remembering which ones liked to 3-bet light and which ones didn’t. The 3-bet stats make it a lot easier to remember.
  • Stoxpoker has a new PLO coach, Ribbo, and his videos have inspired me to try to pick up the game. For the last week or so I’ve been playing in the $0.50-$1 6-max games on Full Tilt. I don’t know what a lot of the betting patterns mean, so I’ve gotten a little lost a few times. But it’s pretty clear that many of the other players (particularly at night) are really pretty terrible. For example, it’s common to see tables with 55% VPIPs. I don’t know much about PLO, but I know that can’t be right. :) So even though I suck I still feel kind of comfortable in the games. I can only imagine how juicy the games must be for someone who knows what they’re doing. If you’re a Stoxpoker member and have any interest in PLO, I definitely recommend checking out Ribbo’s videos.
  • Oh, and don’t go too crazy with stone bluffs in those $0.50-$1 PLO games. It turns out that it’s actually pretty easy to make one pair when you start with four cards. And one pair is coincidentally some players’ requirements for stacking off.
  • Apparently Leatherass pees in a bottle while he’s playing. I’m at a loss for words.
  • If you’ve been living under a rock, you won’t know yet that the WSOP main event final table will be played in November, four months after the rest of the tournament. Interesting. When I heard, my mind immediately went to all the new and tempting ways the final table players could make secret deals, collude, and otherwise screw each other over. Then Elaine asked, “What if one of them dies in the interim?” An interesting question. Knowing poker players, the other final table contestants would naturally demand that the deceased be blinded off. Presumably this gimmick will help revive some new interest in TV poker. Honestly, I don’t care much either way because the chance that I’ll be at this year’s WSOP main event final table is zero. It’s hard for me to get too bent out of shape about tournament machinations. But if in some alternate universe I were to happen to be at that table… methinks it could be a really weird four months.
  • Despite the final table shenanigans I’m definitely looking forward to the WSOP this year. I plan to play the cash games and have a lot of fun.

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9 Responses to “Ed’s Spring Poker Thoughts”

Optisizer
@ Fri May 09, 2008 09:54:34 AM
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What if some less scrupulous person or organization decides to place a big bet on the short-stacked, unknown, underdog to win and then calls up the well-known, large-stacked, pro instructing him to lose or something bad will happen to his mother?
Bad people can demonstrate some clever thinking to get their hands on much less money than what might potentially be at stake here.

Todd
@ Fri May 09, 2008 10:59:35 AM
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…snip…
What if some less scrupulous person or organization decides to place a big bet on the short-stacked, unknown, underdog to win and then calls up the well-known, large-stacked, pro instructing him to lose or something bad will happen to his mother?
…snip…

Barry Greenstein had a nice discussion about that in the twoplustwo podcast.

While this sort of thing can happen, the likelyhood of this sort of thing happening in, say, the superbowl is much greater than the WSOP. Much more money on the line. Much more wagered.

Collusion isn’t out of the question, but they get to see all of the hole cards. Every move they make will be on camera. The fears of the game being compromised is probably overblown somewhat.

Barry also thought that the notion that the amateurs would benefit from 3 months of coaching was also up for debate. He was of the thinking that it is really hard to know what the impact will be because the pros also get to see a lot of how the other final table participants play in the coverage leading up to the event. His point was that it would be impossible to know who would benefit more.

Jarno Virtanen
@ Fri May 09, 2008 10:56:24 PM
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“For example, it’s common to see tables with 55% VPIPs. I don’t know much about PLO, but I know that can’t be right.”

PLO can be played with wide variety of preflop strategies and high VP$IP is not a similar sign of opponent’s weak skills as it is in Texas Hold’em. A style of say 50% VP$IP can be played profitably. Not that everyone playing so many hands are going to be a winning player, but there’s a huge difference in PLO and Texas Hold’em in this regard.

Ribbo
@ Sat May 10, 2008 01:46:19 AM
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It probably doesn’t help when the PLO coach for Stoxpoker had stats of 58% VPIP and 29% PFR over 1500 hands whilst making 4 videos. He also was +$980 for those sessions at 1/2. What a lucky fish.

If Ed wants to record a session, i’ll be happy to rip him apart via commentary to be posted on Stox. I’ll even split the video fee because i’m a nice guy. :)

Jim C
@ Sat May 10, 2008 05:35:01 AM
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Ed, Where will you be playing the cash games? I’d like to sit at your table.

Jim

Ed Miller
@ Sun May 11, 2008 08:36:19 AM
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That’s a good idea Ribbo. Maybe I’ll make a video for you soon.

Jim.. not sure where I’ll play yet.

Thomas
@ Sun May 11, 2008 01:57:35 PM
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You probably saw this one coming…

“So you can get a pretty good edge on them by value betting well and choosing your spots where they have a weak range to shove.” – could you give some examples?

AKQJ10
@ Mon May 12, 2008 08:31:46 PM
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Oh, and don’t go too crazy with stone bluffs in those $0.50-$1 PLO games. It turns out that it’s actually pretty easy to make one pair when you start with four cards. And one pair is coincidentally some players’ requirements for stacking off.

Haha, that’s so true! But all that means is that you should bluff your bottom two pair plus busted redraws a lot more on the river. It’s roughly the PLO equivalent of bluffing your busted NFD and getting looked up by queen-high.

Makes me sad I’ve been focusing on live $1-2 instead of online PLO micros lately.

Also, I really have been living under a rock, so WSOP news is news to me.

Martyfongwhip
@ Fri May 16, 2008 10:08:02 AM
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