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Ed Recommends: Winning in Tough Hold ‘em Games

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“Those who can’t, teach.” As someone who used to play poker fulltime and now spends more time teaching it, I hear that a lot. Frankly, I think it’s bullshit. People ask me frequently why I spend more time writing about poker now than I do playing it. It’s because teaching is in my blood.

I spent an extra year in college teaching introductory circuits to freshmen and sophomores for $1,300 a month. The money sucked, but I absolutely loved the job. After I quit my Microsoft job, I drove to Vegas to spend two months at the 2003 WSOP. During that time I was interviewing at schools for a position teaching high school physics, something I’ve always wanted to do. I won $20,000 in those two WSOP months, though, and I decided to put high school off a bit and give the poker pro thing a shot.

But it wasn’t long before I was teaching again. I’ve found that I have two major passions in life: learning new things and teaching them to others. I’m not sure why, but that’s what I enjoy doing most. No matter where I go or what I do, I will always end up teaching something. I think I was just made that way. I’m proud of what I do, and I admit, it irks me to hear teaching get disrespected.

Meet Stoxtrader

Ok, rant’s over, and now we get to the point of the post. If you still think “those who can’t, teach” then you haven’t met Nick “Stoxtrader” Grudzien. This guy single-handedly blows that credo way, WAY out of the water. He’s one of the top high-stakes limit hold ‘em players in the world, winning big in the nose-bleed games online. And now he’s one of the top limit hold ‘em teachers in the world too.

Stoxpoker.com - Poker Videos and Learning Tools He runs the excellent Stoxpoker.com site where he publishes videos of himself playing limit and no-limit hold ‘em. Not only do you get to watch him play, but he narrates the videos to tell you exactly what he’s thinking about as he makes each move. Honestly, I think it’s the single best learning resource you’ll find anywhere. I highly recommend all my readers to subscribe to his videos. If you play poker regularly, it’s honestly worth tens or maybe even hundreds of times what you pay for it. Seriously.

Stox’s New Book

And now he’s got a new book out: Winning in Tough Hold’em Games. Simply put, it’s excellent. This book shows you the secrets of the short-handed and high-stakes players like nothing else currently out there. If I had read this book four years ago when I was starting my pro career at that 2003 WSOP, it would have completely blown my mind.

Rather than go on about how awesome it is, I just wanted to make a couple of points about it. I’m going to assume that you’ll buy it and read it yourself because if you play limit hold ‘em and you don’t bother to read it… well, I don’t understand why you’d do that.

Winning in Tough Hold’em Games by Nick “Stoxtrader” Grudzien and Geoff “Zobags” Herzog First, I think you should read it out of order. If I were you, I’d start by reading the section called “Hands with Stox.” It consists of 50-odd well-selected hands that Stox played and it talks about what he did and why he did it. Unless you’re already awesome, chances are you’ll read that section and think, “Wow, I play nothing like this.”

In fact, I’d read that section a couple of times before moving on to the rest of the book. It will give you a “feel” for how Stox plays that will come in very handy as you read the opening sections of the book. The first part is a preflop rundown, and it is exhaustive (and exhausting). It’s laid out in great detail how and why Stox plays how he does preflop. If you just start with this section, I think you might feel overwhelmed by all the info and not have a context for the advice. That’s what reading the hands first will give you.

The next section is a detailed rundown of postflop play. I especially liked how he broke postflop play down into “betting lines” (e.g., the “bet-bet line,” the “bet-checkraise line,” etc.) and offered reasons to choose one line over another.

My favorite section, naturally, is the “Hands with Stox” section.

The Mind-Blowing Stuff

In particular, two things stick out as “mind-blowers” for the 2003 version of Ed and potentially for many readers today. First, Stox is very aggressive with some seemingly weak hands, but he’s also somewhat passive sometimes with some fairly good hands. He gives really excellent detail about the how’s and why’s of those plays. Most people learn to play aggressively, but they tend to play too aggressively sometimes when they should back off, and they don’t play aggressively enough sometimes with stuff that looks weak. I think most players will learn quite a bit.

Second, Stox is very “sticky.” This is an area that held me back for several months when I was learning. I folded too much. Folding like I did was ok at lower limits where people were more passive and aggression tended to mean strong hands. But when you move up, you have to get a lot “stickier” and hold on when the pot gets large. Stox pushes hard and calls down a fair bit with small pairs and ace-high. IMO, this may be the single biggest light-bulb-moment for many readers. You’ll see all the places where he clings to a small pair and say to yourself, “Wow, I must be getting bluffed out a lot.” And you probably are.

In any event, Winning in Tough Hold ‘em Games by Nick “Stoxtrader” Gruzdien and Geoff “Zobags” Herzog is a total must-read for anyone who plays 6-max limit hold ‘em or who plays in otherwise tight games. Why does Stox spend so much effort teaching others when he could be “doing”? Maybe he feels the calling like I do. I don’t know. But I do know that Stox is sharing something special and valuable, and you should definitely take advantage of it.

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9 Responses to “Ed Recommends: Winning in Tough Hold ‘em Games”

uDevil
@ Mon Apr 16, 2007 06:52:30 PM
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Ed,

I have already started to read the book, but I’ll take your advice and skip to the hands section.

I have been playing 6-max for a while now but my results have been disappointing. I realize I must have some major leaks in my game, and certainly in my blind play. I hope this book can help me turn that around as the game just isn’t as much fun if it isn’t profitable.

Greg
@ Mon Apr 16, 2007 07:34:17 PM
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I’ve been wondering how useful the concepts in this book will be for people playing lower limits–say $5/10 and under. He’s beating the $300/600 game, but he makes adjustments when he moves down to $1/2, $5/10 etc. in his videos.

It’s so nice to have a book focused on short-handed. I don’t doubt for a second that reading his book will be great for anyone playing at any limits, but I wonder if following the concepts in his book will maximize profits at the lower limits, how much of what he teaches is more relevant at $300/600 than it is at $3/6 etc?

Having read his book, and being familiar with the differences between the high limit and the low limit games, do you have any thoughts on this?

JJS
@ Mon Apr 16, 2007 08:04:41 PM
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Ed said: “I’ve found that I have two major passions in life: learning new things and teaching them to others.”

Ed, the longer I read this site the more I become conviced that we are alike in many ways. I too spent many hours teaching freshmen in college, just for the love of teaching. In my case it was calculus, physics, and chemistry.

The “those who can’t do, teach” credo exists for a reason. There are indeed many teachers out there who fit it. These teachers are OK for the average student who wants to learn a little bit about a subject but doesn’t really want to do any hard work.

But as soon a “real” student comes along, someone who has real interest, who works hard and asks the tough questions, this kind of teacher falls short. If they are honest enough to answer “I don’t know” when they get asked the hard questions, then it’s not so bad. Unfortunately though, too often they just spew out anything that sounds good to try to hide their ignorance. The good student will eventually figure things out, but it takes a while and valuable time is unfortunately wasted.

Ed, your passion for poker and your passion for teaching are the things that make this site what it is. I intend to keep reading for as long as you keep blogging!

Ed Miller
@ Mon Apr 16, 2007 08:13:27 PM
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Greg,

I think this book is highly relevant to anyone who plays limit hold’em. I played full-ring $15-$30 and $20-$40 in Vegas, which is a far cry from $150-$300 online 6-max, yet this book would have helped me tremendously as I was launching my pro career.

Even though my regular games tended to be “SSHE games” more than “WTHEG games” I still had a lot of blind steal/blind defense situations that are covered so well in Stoxtrader’s book.

Obviously, you always have to adjust to your game and opponents. One of the great things about Stox’s book is that he not only talks about the nosebleed games but mentions in various places how his play might change if he were against softer, more passive players.

So yes, the concepts in this book will help you maximize at $3-$6 and at $300-$600. It’s not trying to tell you how to play. It’s trying to tell you how to come up with decisions and adjust depending on your opponents.

kata
@ Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:59:55 PM
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Ordering mine right now :) Can’t wait to read this one; I’ve been really impressed by his limit hold’em videos. There seems to be a couple of potentially interesting limit books coming out soon from db publishing as well. I’m glad to see that poker books, especially limit books are becoming alot more specialized, straying away from general strategy books and focusing more on specific aspects of the game or game types.

Jarno Virtanen
@ Tue Apr 17, 2007 01:55:20 AM
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I don’t have the book yet, but I’m definitely going to buy it, but I feel like it’s a must-buy book for any aspiring limit player.

I’m still climbing the first yards of the learning hill, but it’s already quite clear to me that the first real hurdle is the shift from loose/passive micro limit games to the bit larger limits where the games are either tighter (at the full table) and/or much more aggressive (short handed). Most of what’s learned in the first phase (playing tightly, understanding odds and protecting hands, not making “big laydowns” against loose players etc) is still relevant, but if you slip into the weak-tight zone, you’re going to get crushed, in short handed games especially.

For me, personally, one of the most important point is to avoid the “I know the basics now, I’m just going to keep playing” trap. Playing is an important part of learning, but it’s not nearly enough. (So long as you don’t make any significant money..) whether you are winning or losing currently is somewhat irrelevant. Losing might be a sign of leaks and winning might be a sign that you’re doing something right, but then again it might not.

All that really matters is whether you are making the right decisions. You can’t judge that only how your hands went down. You have to have a much broader look at the game. That’s what I’m looking forward for this book to give me. A step in the long learning process.

Shrike
@ Tue Apr 17, 2007 02:33:07 PM
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The book just arrived in my mailbox this morning. I can’t wait to read it.

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