Message Board : QQ on A-high 3-way

Still getting this new material straight.   

I decide to just call preflop as I can probably committ against the HJ

if I flop an overpair and I at least have postiion on the other player.

Since MP2 is the raiser any reraise will launch me over the commitment threshold

and I wouldn't likely want to commit if he pushes to my 3-bet.  I decided that

a call was best.

Does anyone bet the flop here?

.5/1 Blinds NL

MP2 ($73.70 in chips)
HJ($38 in chips)
Hero in CO ($143.80 in chips)
Dealt to Hero [Qh Qd]
MP2 raises $2 to $3
HJ calls $3
Hero  calls $3
*** FLOP *** [8h 5h Ac]
MP2 checks
HJ checks
Hero checks

*** TURN *** [8h 5h Ac] [Th]
MP2 checks
HJ  checks

Hero... ?

PS... I copy and pasted the HH in here and it screwed with the formatting a bit.  Not sure

why.

I think you check it down at this point.  Maybe value bet the river if checked to you.  It probable that nobody has an A and you have the best hand.  HJ would have bet a weak A on the turn.  MP2 has comething like KQ or 77.

Most of the time I think you want to 3 bet here, though.  The biggest stack has 75BB, you should be playing to commit with him on the flop.

I think 3 way with position, that you should reraise.  Weed out at least weak Ax.  If you raised to $10, I would think most would.  If one of them leads into you, he has top pair at least, and you *could* safely fold. 

By this turn tho, you are likely behind if anyone calls.  You’d have no idea if he had JJ instead of KK, as they are both second pair to the board.  Nevermind hearts or the Aces…

Ed Miller said:

I would generally tend to 3-bet preflop. When you just call, you turn the hand into a set-or-fold one far more often than you need to… and you miss out on value to boot.

What hands do you think the initial raiser will push with?

What exactly do you mean by push?  Do you mean c/r AI?  If so, I wouldn’t expect him to do this with a worse hand than mine very often.

Ed Miller said:

What hands do you think the initial raiser will push with?

At this point, with 2 callers both with position, I would think his range to be pretty tight … 99+, as low as AJo+.  I don’t think I’d be overly scared if he reraised, and a push from me is still a very valid option.

It would depend on the other player’s action alot to know if I was still ahead.  If the inital raiser 4-bet and the HJ called again, I know I’d be in trouble.  Not neccessarily folding, just in trouble.

threads13 said:

Ed asked what hand I think the raiser would push with.  I just
wanted to make sure that I we are on the same page that the intial
raiser would push via a c/r all-in.

You can see by my wording I was thinking of ‘us’ pushing ( putting $143 into a $10 pot ) pbbbbt … I must have been tired! 

threads13 said:

Or maybe he was referring to preflop if I 3-bet?

I think you are right … this is what he meant … if we 3-bet, what hands would the initial raiser (MP2) push with …  I still think his range might be wider than just the top 4 hands.

In any event, I don’t think you are committed ( b/c you haven’t put in 1/3 of your stack ).  But a raise of 10% ( to $15 ) requires a plan.  Or am I misreading the strategies?