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2:00 pm
February 19, 2008
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carddown
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Here’s a hand my buddy Tom Ames got into a tough spot with recently:
Live 1-2 NL game with no obvious spewers. I’ve been at the table a bit over an hour, played pretty tightly, but showed down one weak limped hand which hit the flop and took the pot.
My stack is 2nd biggest at $450;
biggest is $1000;
a couple ~$400;
rest $200 or less.
Big stack is steaming and tossing in $10 PF raises on most hands.
I am UTG+1 and get AA. UTG limps and I make it $15. Few raises this size have gotten more than one caller since I’ve been at the table. I am surprised to get 5 calls, including the large stack who is two seats behind me.
Flop is J74r. Pot is $91 (less rake, so actually $86).
Two checks to me.
I am concerned about the big stack calling my flop bet (desirable) and giving the three players between him and me incentive to play on (undesirable). I’m guessing that at least a couple of the PF cold-callers came in with a PP. It could easily cost me my stack (or a big chunk of it) if one of those players makes a set on the turn.
My play?
He ran this by 2+2ers, but it seemed many of them were unfamiliar with the Professional No Limit method.
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8:44 am
February 20, 2008
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jamleeco
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I bet the pot here. (disclaimer: i’m no expert)
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8:57 am
February 20, 2008
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jamleeco
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AJs or even QJ suited , especially toward end of callers, distinct possibliities here. Bet the pot, you should get action from a big J, I mean, why else call with AJ. On turn, depending on the card and who called and how they acted about it, I either half-pot the turn or check. This mainly depends on who called. If you get raised on flop bet, whew. Depends on player. Really tight player probably a set though most of the stacks are smaller. Any of the stacks around 200 you mentioned I’m pot committing all the way. The big stack is steaming you said, I call a raise from him too. He could easily do this with a big jack or maybe even a gutshot if he is steaming bad.
The 2 stacks around 400, if they’re tight, might have to lay it down, though I don’t think I would. Live games ? 1-2? I think you are ahead here so so often you should bet pot on flop. That is a gorgeous flop for AA. If I’m beat by a set, damn, but like Tony Soprano says "Whadda ya gonna do?" Unlikely 2 pair with that action. In THIS situation, I come out hard on flop.
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6:06 am
February 21, 2008
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Todd
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I think I’d overbet the pot a little, maybe $110 or so, and hope one of the 400’s shoves on me. The pot is too big to not play for stacks. I’m getting my money in somehow. Sometimes I’m beat. But, the pot is so big that top pair is going to pay you off a lot.
The other choice, if you think that the big stack is going to make a stab, is to check and shove when he bets. Looking left and seeing if he’s reaching for chips is really helpful here.
The flop is very uncoordinated, so letting it check around isn’t a total trajedy. It’s not what you want, it’s just not the worst thing ever.
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7:41 am
February 21, 2008
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I am assuming taht your SPR is still low enough here. If it is a normal live game, you will definitely get it in with all sorts of top pair hands here. In a multiway pot you won’t be best a lot, but I don’t think there is any getting away from it unless you are absolutely sure that you are getting raised by a set… and even then you may be wrong! 
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1:14 pm
February 21, 2008
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jamleeco
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Since you had such a good read on the "steaming" big stack, I would have limped here. Steamy raises, same 5 or more are in, probably more since everyone else probably sees it too, and then made a huge pre-flop raise. It telegegraphs your hand , but so what? Take down nice pot pre-flop. Probably get a call from steamer. I did this 2 nights ago after 5 limpers, maniac on my left ( i had moved seat change button to be there ) raises to 7xbb, all limpers call, I then raised it to 40 bb’s. Maniac called. ( I had about 140 bb’s at time and he had triple that).
This is not a brag, I lost the hand, just that it works.
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6:10 pm
February 25, 2008
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carddown
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Well, I sure had an opinion, but mine was based more on stubbornness than scientific play and the path most likely to lead you to a severe loss if there was a trap waiting out there. I agree, it is a wonderful flop for the hand, but you’ve still got a lot of unpredictablility with so many callers, and so far, zero information.
This kind of situation comes up fairly often in loose games, and I was curious to see if there was a better way to play it from where he found himself (and possibly preflop as well).
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