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9:58 am
May 11, 2008


Greg

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I was playing a live 4-8 limit game with 9 players at the table. I was holding 5dia-5spa and sitting two to the right of the button. Everyone up to the BB calls. The BB raises and everyone calls to the button. The button re-raises. This process continues until the raises are capped and everyone sees the flop. I was trying to limp in, but raises kept coming after I would call a bet.

Were my pot odds correct to see the flop with a low pair?

The flop is Kclu, 6dia, 5clu. Everyone checks to me. I bet. Another round of calling and betting ensues until the raises are capped. Everyone sees the turn. I predict that there are at least one or two players with a flush draw, one to two players with a straight draw, and one or two players with a pair of kings. There may be another set, including three kings. I calculate that I have 7 outs to a full house or 4 of a kind. I assume that someone may have two pair (K-5 suited or 6-5 suited) and is using one of the 5s. I may only have 6 outs. I calculate the flush draw has 9 outs. I assume that there are at least two players trying to make a flush. Therefore, the flush draws may only have 7 outs.

Were my pot odds correct to see the turn? Am I correct to make these assumptions about number of outs and about multiple players drawing to a straight or a flush?

The turn is a Jhrts. An EP player raises. A MP player calls. I call. Everyone else folds. I put the other two players on either a flush draw, two pair, A-K in the hole, or K-K in the hole. I increase my number of outs to a full house or a 4-of-kind to 10, but I keep the number of outs for the flush draw at 7. I predict I am favored.

Was I the favorite? Were my pot odds correct to see the river? Should I have re-raised the EP raiser?

The river card was a 2 clubs. The EP raises, the MP calls, I call. I put the EP on a flush (he was holding K-8 clubs) and the MP on A-K (he was holding Ahea-Kdia).

Am I a fool to call the EP player’s river raise? (There was about $250 in the pot and I just couldn’t fold).

I think my odds and play were correct. However, I am relatively new to the game and do not have enough experience to know if I would win this scenario more often than I would lose it.

4:25 pm
May 11, 2008


BTR

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Were my pot odds correct to see the flop with a low pair?

As you described the action, yes. I wouldn't be happy playing a capped preflop with a small pair but with that many players you should have a big enough payout for spiking a set.


Were my pot odds correct to see the turn?

Pot odds are usually used to determine when you should draw based on the size of the pot. You're not drawing. Your equity is HUGE vs the range of the people in the hand. You should have been leading the raiseing not following it. If you run into KK so be it. Equity is the % chance that you will win the pot as it stands now.


Example: You have a gutshot straight draw and close the action of with a $1 call. You should call if the pot is greater than or equal $11 as you are getting the correct pot odds. Expressed in Equity terms you would usually have ~9% if there were no flush draws out. Enough to call but not enough to raise UNLESS the pot was $22. The raise would be approximately break even and might buy you a free card on the turn.


You not only have 7 outs to a fullhouse or quads but you'll pick up 3 more on the turn.


A flush draw has 9 outs, however one of these outs 6c make your fullhouse. You must realize that a flush draw has a lot of equity on this board as well. Someone betting and/or raising with a flush draw is NOT making a mistake with as big as a the pot is. In most circumstances a flush draw on this board will have approximately 35% equity.


Was I the favorite?


Unless you know the other players cards you'll never know if you are a favorite but you have enough equity you should continue to be at war and bet/raise at every opportunity.


Were my pot odds correct to see the river?

Your equity was fine


Should I have re-raised the EP raiser?

Yes


Am I a fool to call the EP player’s river raise? (There was about $250 in the pot and I just couldn’t fold).

No, your instincts were right, you shouldn't like it, but you should bite your lip and toss in your chips. The pot is indeed to big to fold. You left some money on the table by not playing agressive enough but you should almost never fold this hand on the river.

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