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7:05 pm May 25, 2007
| zou
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Playing freerolls – is it possible to build some bankroll that way? Any strategy tips from anyone?
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7:46 pm May 25, 2007
| JJS
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I read somewhere that poker pro Chris "Jesus" Ferguson is attempting to build a bankroll from zero by starting with freerolls. His plan is to move from there into low limit cash games and grind his way upwards. They call it the "Jesus Challenge". I don't know where he is with that, maybe someone else can say.
Sorry I can't offer any strategy tips, other than "Play like Jesus Ferguson"…
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8:15 pm May 25, 2007
| BTR
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It can be done, but you'll have to be VERY patient. I once took 42 cents at Paradise Poker (Paradise wouldn't let you cash out anything but whole dollars) and turned it into a $3/$6 bankroll (which promptly got stuck in Neteller). I got lucky at my very first sitting at the 2c/4c tables and then it was off to the races.
Strategy, play a lot of freerolls. If you're really bankroll challanged it can be done. Personally I get bored playing tournaments so I'd rather dig into my pocket to finance my game than sit in a tournament.
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6:32 am May 26, 2007
| Todd
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When you read about the Fergusson experiment, he talks about bankroll management, bankroll management and bankroll management. Great lessons on keeping yourself funded to play poker.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/pro-tips-archive.php?player=Chris%20Ferguson&tip=100
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4:28 pm May 26, 2007
| weasel97
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Last summer, UB was doing massive freerolls for tournament entry chips. You had to place top 50 in one tournament (of ~2500) to qualify for another tournament where you had to place top 10 to get it. At that point, you could split the TEC to 100 tournament dollars to enter tournaments.
Of those, I hit 2nd in a $10, and 3rd in a $5, for a total of about $1000. Through a combination of not being as good as I thought I was, and poor bankroll management, most of that's gone, but I'm on the rebound.
But it's definitely possible. Takes a bit of luck, though. The other thing that I noticed was that the freeroll tourneys played much, much different than the small stakes money tournaments. I haven't played a freeroll in a while, but if I recall, it was mostly a matter of not being able to logically connect their actions to their hands. So, I stopped trying to read hands, stopped bluffing, and value bet the heck out of anything marginal, and that's basically how I won the freerolls.
At that point, I didn't really know if I was good enough to be investing my own money in learning poker. At this point, I probably wouldn't try it again, but if you try, good luck!
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4:38 pm May 26, 2007
| BTR
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4:38 pm May 26, 2007
| BTR
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weasel97 said:
… not being as good as I thought I was …
Congratulations, realization of this is the first step to becoming a winning player. No one sits at a poker table thinking "I suck, sure hope I can give all of my money away", most do so it must be bad luck 
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5:42 pm May 26, 2007
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Yes, I too have the problem of wild crazy plays at freerolls, together with the structures it makes it hard to me to igure out how to play, especially in the beginning, because the further it gets the more people care and the more relatively reasonable they play. And I'd like to have the real opportunity to hit the 100k prize just starting out from a freeroll qualifier.
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2:37 pm May 27, 2007
| Ed Miller
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Poker is not a reliable means to get rich quick. (There are no reliable means to get rich quick.)
Having said that, freerolls are certainly legit and give you an opportunity to win a little something from nothing. And if you're patient and willing to focus on learning rather than cashing in, you can parlay that little something into a lot of something.
If you want to know what a freeroll is "worth," you can get a rough estimate by totalling all of the prizes and dividing by the number of entrants.
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9:58 am May 28, 2007
| JJS
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Ed Miller said:
(There are no reliable means to get rich quick.)
Believe it or not, there are forums where you can get beat up and banned for saying things like that.
If you ever hear the words "dream stealer", grab all your money and run!
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10:43 am May 28, 2007
| Pawel
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cool post JJS
I put the dream stealer to google and the results were really amusing
But I'm sure Ed's gonna get banned for being dreammaker as well and some devil's soldier who's encouraging people to focus on learning poker
I don't know 'bout you, but I like smilies    
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5:07 pm May 28, 2007
| JJS
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Hmmm I just googled "dream stealer" and the results were not what I expected. Evidently there are books and games etc. by that name.
What I had in mind is that this phrase is frequently used by scammers to get people to invest in "get rich quick" schemes, so Ed's post reminded me of that. The scammers teach their victims to label any nay-sayers as "dream stealers", the dream being "get rich quick", using the scammers "proven" techniques of course. It's how they harden the victim against listening to any common sense that their friends or family might try to tell them.
My apologies to zou for hijacking this thread. I suppose I can make a case that this is somewhat relevant, i.e. if you want learn more about poker, then building a bankroll starting from freerolls is OK. But if it's "get rich" you are after then as Ed said, watch out!
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6:12 am May 29, 2007
| Pawel
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What I found was a warning against 'that kind' of people, who tell you that 'it won't work', 'you can't just do like that' etc. exactly what you meant. It amused me as I can imagine other people say 'no, you can't just win anything playing poker. You can only loose there' and claim anyone saying that you can learn to play and win… you know what I mean.
I guess basic proper strategy for the beginning of a freeroll would be similar to a strategy for a rebuy phase of a buy-in tournament. Wait for god hands (in relation to what other's play) and pounce people out.
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11:18 am May 29, 2007
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What I ment at the beginning of this thread: is the luck vs skill factor in freeroll tournaments reasonable?
I don't plan to get rich quick, I only don't want to waste my time playing for luck only… and I'm not an expert, but consider myself reasonable player and I'm beat by the idiots all the time (mean: those who move in on every hand, who play crap against any raise, etc). Acceptable to be beat like that in a cash game, but in the tournament you're out.
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12:43 pm May 29, 2007
| bsheck
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You're much better off taking advantage of one of the free money offers available than playing freerolls and cashing for a few bucks at a time. Just do a google search for "free poker money" and you'll find some sites that'll give you $50 or even $100 to play. You'll have to play so many raked hands to be able to keep the money, but you'll get a lot of playing experience in real games without having to deposit your own funds.
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1:01 pm May 29, 2007
| Todd
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Freerolls can be frustrating for sure. Best to be avoided if you can't shake off crazy beats.
When I've made it deep in freerolls, it's been because I had the best hand more often when the money went in. That sort of means treating the first 15-30 minutes as a short stack exercise even though you aren't yet short compared to the blind structure. But, the blind structure is often playing 5-10x the actual blinds but with a 30 minute blind level instead of 10. If you put a nickle into the pot, play it recognizing that. Like all short stack play, expect to bust out early a lot.
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