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2:25 pm
April 19, 2007


Jarno Virtanen

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I had a peculiar hand the other day. So far I've mostly managed to keep monsters under bed (ie. the fear that your opponent has a best possible hand), but the nagging fear came on the river and I probably lost two big bets because of it. Now, it's a hand that was capped preflop, on the flop and on the turn. River saw two bets. It's one of those "why would you whine after winning that big a pot" hands, but not 3-betting the river here is a big mistake, I think. Probably 1-2 big bets (minus the probability that the opponent really had the worst possible hand for me).

(Sorry for the poor formatting, flopturnriver doesn't recognize this format.)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10s 10h

UTG posts and checks, CO raises, Button folds, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG folds, CO raises, Hero calls

3-betting with pair of tens from the BB is pretty standard, I guess. Getting capped is always nasty, being out of position and all.

Flop: (9.5 SB) 5d 4h 10c (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO raises, Hero raises, CO calls

So, we hit a top set with a really safe-looking board given the most probable range of our opponent. Pretty safe to assume here that the opponent continues here with a bet, thus it's safe to go for a check-raise, giving at least one or two bets out of a possible scared AK? Opponent 3-bets and, of course, I cap. Couldn't wish for more.

Turn: (9 BB) 7h (2 players)

Hero bets, CO raises, Hero raises, CO raises, Hero calls

Again, since CO 3-betted the flop, I think it's reasonable to just bet out and hope for a probable raise. It's pretty much 100% certain that we have the best hand here.

River: (17 BB) Qc (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls

Final Pot: 21 BB

Here, the fear crept in. The range I'd put any reasonable opponent here is {QQ, KK, AA}. So, what if the opponent really does hold QQ? Of course, that's a silly thought. He might have, but most probably doesn't. The only real, though minor one at that, reason for not to 3-bet here is the possibility of going into a massive tilt if the opponent did actually hit a two-outer on the river. But, it turned out that the opponent was on a tilt, he had: 8d 8h. Uh?

So, no real question here, just a story on how you can miss valuable bets even after capped preflop, flop and turn. (Though any thoughts on the way I played are of course most welcome.)


3:00 pm
April 19, 2007


Shrike

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posts 79

I am definitely three-betting the river here. If someone has QQ I just pay them off. C'est la vie.

6:41 pm
April 19, 2007


BTR

Member

posts 180

I 3 bet the river as well 55 and 44 are also in the range if co was on a steal with the extra blind money in the hand.

<edit> never mind, I see co capped you pf, I thought he had smooth called the 3 bet </edit>

2:02 am
April 20, 2007


thatjimguy

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posts 80

Yeah, he had to be on tilt to play like that. The only justifiable way he could have bet like that on the flop is if he had big pairs. He also didn't slow down when you raised the flop.

He was either on tilt, or on an hyper-agressive play to get you to fold. (which turned into tilt once he realized he couldn't shake you.) I've seen this a lot at low-limit games. Especially if you are tight and they see you from time to time and it's only three players or heads-up. They just bash the pot, hoping you will fold your nice hand to thier prayer. 

Overall, I wouldn't take too much stock of how he played that. I think a normal player, even a bad one, would have slowed down once you capped the flop if he had aces.  

You and the guys are right, three betting here would have been the thing to do since you had him beat all the way to the river. If he has QQ, wow. Lucky for him then. Just hope he takes that money and plays against you again like that.  

thatjimguy 

4:52 pm
April 24, 2007


Ed Miller

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posts 162

I agree, Jarno, I see no reason to put your opponent on a hand that beats you. QQ is unlikely, as are the straights. I'd guess 55, 44, and AA as my top likely hands. I really like 3-betting.

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