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11:09 am
July 18, 2009


vb_rounder

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Live FR $1/$2 NL cash. Generally loose game, and as usual, many weak hands being shown down in BIG pots.

Preflop: I limp UTG w/ KK. 2-3 callers, MP raises to $7. 3 players call the raise and back to me.

I make it $25 to go. All fold around back to loose-agg. LP player who calls additional $18. I have ~$300 and he has ~$240 remaining.

Flop: 7 7 3 rainbow.

I bet $75 into a pot of ~$80. Villain shoves for ~$240 total. I reluctantly call $165 more.

Villain shows 76o.

Turn and river: no help

Hate the pf limp? Re-raise more pf? Check-call the flop? Bet-fold the flop? Played it well but got unlucky?


Whaddyathink?


10:32 am
July 20, 2009


jamleeco

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posts 97

I don't like the limp up front with KK. I have done it on occassion when I had allowed myself to get somewhat shortstacked and there is not going to be a commitment problem. Especially if I don't get oblidged with a raise behind.


 But , you gambled and it paid off, and well. 3 limpers, raise with 3 callers. Once you put your Additional $5 in the pot is over $40. You have to raise more than 18 here. You are offering better than 3-1 preflop and he's a 4-1 dog. That's not terrible mistake. And if someone else calls your raise it's automatic.


When you stick money in the pot have a plan, even limping upfront for a rr.  My original plan would have been someone else hopefully riase light, trap him and all the loose callers in the game for extra money. You got the dream result , now pop it HARD. Your plan is not to build a big multiway pot out of position. I would raise minimum 40 here, maybe more with 8 players currently invested in the pot. If heads-up, that 's different, but I still wouldn't raise less than half the pot.


Also, if your loose game is like the ones I am sometimes in, calling huge raises is one of the major weaknesses. And yes, he might have called a 45/50 reraise, but that's fine. You have no decision to make once  the flop comes, barring an A maybe. And you must charge this type of player hard for the gazillion times he misses the flop, flops a draw or weak top-pair to make up for this  type of result.


You're going to get stacked in a loose game, for sure. The other nite in 1-3 it went limp, limp, lite raiser raises, clueless woman on 3rd buy in(short) and a tought player flat call. Gets to me in BB, I have AJs. Pot is 65 once my 15 goes in. I know lite raiser is out and tough player won't call a huge rr. I make 65 on top. UTG flat calls , leaves himself 140 (calls 1/3 stack) women calls leaving herself 25. All others fold. flop comes Jxx, I shove.  Both of  them call me. UTG old man had JJ, woman had QQ. I'm third. I mean, I bust out laughing. Not in a mean way, just like oh man, i'm third and i'm putting the money in. And I was not the least upset.  I mean, wow. I liked my play and this is a great game. couldn't wait to get to cage to beef my stack back up.


My hand was nowhere as good as yours preflop but point is , in  these loose games don't get coy, get  that money out there and build big pots. If a king had come instead of a jack I know JJ is folding, QQ i don't know. She was all over the place. But this hand goes down the same if it's TT and AK, except I win.


So pop it hard. Hey , they all fold, you pick up 20+BB uncontested, that's not a terrible result.

6:22 am
July 22, 2009


karbyn

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posts 274

jamleeco said:


So pop it hard. Hey , they all fold, you pick up 20+BB uncontested, that's not a terrible result.


We often forget this is a very positive result.  25BB is 1/4 of a full stack.  It is nothing to triffle about.  We don't need to double up every time we have a big hand.   Sometimes just winning it is good ( like here, way OOP against 4 players, picking up the pot is OK.  )

3:27 am
November 17, 2009


Shrike

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I hate the limp re-raise from up front because you are turning your hand face-up to any half-decent opponent.

Secondly, your re-raise (as noted above) was much much too small. If anything you should raise to nearly $50 to achieve a better stack-to-pot ratio so you can make a more comfortable decision postflop for the rest of your stack.

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