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5:16 am
September 6, 2007
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tobori
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i am aware that limping is usually discouraged.
however i have been playing in loose $1-$2 NLH full ring
cash B&M games where the majority of hands begin with
about 5 to 6 limpers and no raises. from that passive
start many (like 1 out of 4 or 5) hands ends up with
at least 2 players all in with the winner showing down
less than 2 pairs in most cases.
i have been limping along with any 2 cards when i don’t
have a starting hand to raise with. if i don’t catch the flop
in a fairly major way like 2 pair, trips or draw i fold to any
bet. many times the turn card is a free card also.
i have been having success with this strategy but am
not sure if it is due to short term luck or if these conditions
make limping with even 72o sound stategy. it seems to me
the implied odds of stacking someone makes it worth the
many $2 limp bets that go nowhere- either folded to the
rare pre flop raise or folded to the many missed flops.
any thots ?
thanks, tobori
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5:30 am
September 7, 2007
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JUJY
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Don’t like the idea of limping any two, I think your just spewing money. Using your 72o as an example, your chances of flopping two pair on the flop is only 2% and it’s not a hand that can make straights. In the unlikely scenario you make your two pair you always run the chance of that two pair being counterfitted if the board pairs. Not to mention, nothing says your going to stack somebody if you do hit your two pair hand. I realize you were using 72 as an extreme example, but lots of hands fall into that category including hands that contain broadway cards like Q6 or K8, etc.
That being said, if your playing in a passive game without much raising than by all means play suited and unsuited connector type hands in late position. Hands like 76, J9, QT, etc are all playable because they have the chance of flopping big, not to mention, now instead of playing in hopes of flopping two pair, you can include straights and flushes to the list of hands that might possibly be flopped.
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8:56 am
September 7, 2007
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threads13
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tobori said:
i am aware that limping is usually discouraged.
however i have been playing in loose $1-$2 NLH full ring
cash B&M games where the majority of hands begin with
about 5 to 6 limpers and no raises. from that passive
start many (like 1 out of 4 or 5) hands ends up with
at least 2 players all in with the winner showing down
less than 2 pairs in most cases.
i have been limping along with any 2 cards when i don’t
have a starting hand to raise with. if i don’t catch the flop
in a fairly major way like 2 pair, trips or draw i fold to any
bet. many times the turn card is a free card also.
i have been having success with this strategy but am
not sure if it is due to short term luck or if these conditions
make limping with even 72o sound stategy. it seems to me
the implied odds of stacking someone makes it worth the
many $2 limp bets that go nowhere- either folded to the
rare pre flop raise or folded to the many missed flops.
any thots ?
thanks, tobori
It isn’t discouraged. It is a fine play in a lot of situations.
If the stacks are fairly deep I will limp a wide variety of hands in position. However, I definitely wouldn’t be limping any two cards just because I have the button and I definitely wouldn’t be limping a lot of weak hands OOP. I think you are on the right track though that a lot certain hands are not raises in loose-passive deep-stacked no-limit hold ‘em games.
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10:48 am
September 8, 2007
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karbyn
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I think in general, limping is discouraged as a continual action. But, I think in the game you describe, you could open your range … any SC ( even 2 gapped ), any TXs+, plus the usual. I think there is not much need to vary your opening based on position. You can reraise or fold if action comes back to you.
This is only really valid is the game matches, and the stacks are deep. I have done this occasionally. You really need to hit a hand, or you just limp out ( like ‘blinded out’ … maybe I just coined a new phrase. LOL )
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5:48 am
September 10, 2007
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threads13
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karbyn said:
I think in general, limping is discouraged as a continual action. But, I think in the game you describe, you could open your range … any SC ( even 2 gapped ), any TXs+, plus the usual. I think there is not much need to vary your opening based on position. You can reraise or fold if action comes back to you.
This is only really valid is the game matches, and the stacks are deep. I have done this occasionally. You really need to hit a hand, or you just limp out ( like ‘blinded out’ … maybe I just coined a new phrase. LOL )
Howcome you are thinking that limping is bad?
I certainly will open up my limping hands in a very loose(good) game from EP but I will also loosen it up even more on the button. Position is always very important.
What are game matches?
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7:12 am
September 10, 2007
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Todd
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Limping along with any 2 just won’t pay. It may seem like it pays, but it doesn’t. When you are running good and hitting a lot of goofy hands you feel like a genius, but mostly your just lucky.
In general, some limping is ok. A lot of limping probably is just a leak. Even in very loose passive games, aggression wins. It’s more volatile, but pressure in position is more profitable than no pressure out of position.
If you build big pots pre-flop with your good hands, you will end up losing some very big, very frustrating pots. But you will, on average, win your fair share, which will be more than the jack ass playing 93s will win.
That said, there are some high implied odds hands that you are better off limping with if you don’t have a lot of steal equity. In general, though, if you play top 15 hands and value bet like crazy when you make a hand you will earn a lot more than if you limp looking to hit the long shots.
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6:20 pm
September 10, 2007
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karbyn
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threads13 said:
Howcome you are thinking that limping is bad?
As a continual action. As you said, you can’t limp all the time, you’ll get killed. You can limp or call a small raise in position more oftern.
threads13 said:
What are game matches?
LOL, oops.
This is only really valid if the game matches … I meant if the game if very tight, you can be looser, and limping more is an option.
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2:53 am
September 11, 2007
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tobori
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i have played about 10 more hours limping with
anything in the type games i first described starting
this thread and agree that you need to be more selective.
could be just short term variance but i just don’t get the
popularity of suited connectors. i know it’s about the implied
odds when you hit but in my experience (limited) they
don’t turn into anything at all so often they aren’t worth it.
and even when they do you can still lose and lose a lot
especially with flushes (to a higher flush).
tobori
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6:01 am
September 11, 2007
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threads13
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karbyn said:
threads13 said:
Howcome you are thinking that limping is bad?
As a continual action. As you said, you can’t limp all the time, you’ll get killed. You can limp or call a small raise in position more oftern.
threads13 said:
What are game matches?
LOL, oops.
This is only really valid if the game matches … I meant if the game if very tight, you can be looser, and limping more is an option.
That is fair. I just was worried that you were on that "never limp it’s weak" thing that is popular. 
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