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Introducing Dealer’s Choice, or the Dilemma between Specialisation and Diversification

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3:20 pm
January 15, 2008


Jan

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Last Friday, I managed to introduce the concept of Dealer’s Choice at a 5€ buy-in home game. They caught on fairly quickly with Omaha, Omaha 8/b and Crazy Pineapple and even with 7 Stud, 7 Stud Split and Razz. It was great fun and as I was the only person with (however meagre) experience in any other game than NL Hold’Em, I expected to win a couple of nice pots, which I did.

Two kinds of questions arose, however, and although this is a HE-oriented message board, I’ll post them here (because you seem like an extremely helpful bunch).

(a) Betting structures

Although Belgians are rather fond of surrealism, the Stud games were being played limit (0,10/0,20, but I’m planning of upping them to 0,15/0,30). The other games were no limit (0,10/0,20), and that includes Omaha and Omaha 8/b. It didn’t cause much trouble then, but I can imagine that Omaha isn’t really the game one wants to play no limit, right? Being the dealer was enough of a challenge with three-way all-in pots being quartered and counting the pot every time a player wants to pump it could be a bit too much asked.

Limit Omaha is hardly an option as it took quite a while before they accepted limit Stud.

This question is two-fold: 1) Is NL Omaha (Hi/Lo) fundamentally at odds with the laws of the universe? 2) Are there any reliable NL Omaha (Hi/Lo) strategy guides available on the Web?

(b) Specialisation vs Diversification

As I said, I enjoyed that round of Dealer’s Choice very much and most of the others did too. While occasionally a player would call for NL Hold’Em, most in fact chose Omaha Hi/Lo and *drum roll* Razz. The question I’m faced with now is whether to stick to Hold’Em and getting better at it, as for the moment I I - quite frankly - suck and it’ll probably be the game of choice in the long run anyway, or to start concentrating on the other games.

Two reasons I can think of to opt for the latter choice are 1) increasing my edge over players who I suspect won’t be studying these games but will play them and 2) improving my "meta" poker skills, so to say. Playing games I had never played before for real money, my basic preflop thinking was: "Will I be able to get some value out of this hand, and if so: how?

Compared to my HE thinking, that’s a world of difference, and I think that indeed I should incorporate that kind of thinking into my HE game

Of course, I’ll continue to study several aspects of Hold’Em in any case. I’m asking, however, because the player who routinely takes every penny at that home game playing HE, argued against diversification, adding that statistics proved that not concentrating on one game is a bad plan, money-wise.

In sum:

What about NL Omaha (Hi/Lo)? 

Concentrating on HE, or steadily learning the basics of the games mentioned? And why?

(I’ll probably post my views on how they play HE later and in another topic, because I could do with some friendly advice there.

Incidentally, I read on Ed’s MySpace that he’s very much interested in languages. May I ask which ones?)

6:08 pm
January 15, 2008


BTR

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This question is two-fold: 1) Is NL Omaha (Hi/Lo) fundamentally at odds with the laws of the universe? 2) Are there any reliable NL Omaha (Hi/Lo) strategy guides available on the Web?

Omaha is seldom played as a NL Game.  Omaha Hi/Lo is usually played limit and occassionally played pot limit.  OMaha Hi is sometimes played limit but usually played as pot limit.

Buy a copy of The Theory of Poker.  The concepts covered in this book apply to poker regardless of the game, the stakes, or betting constraints.

Stud is usually played with both an Ante and bring-in and is often seen as both fixed limit and spread limit.

Your missing out on a bunch of fun games by not including A5 lowball, 2-7 Triple Draw and Badugi.

6:07 am
January 20, 2008


Jan

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Thanks for your answer. I’ll try to introduce FL Omaha Hi/Lo, as the game’s way too crazy now - with basically everyone thinking they’ve got a piece of the flop. And because of that, I think introducing the FL variant will be something of an uphill battle. Thanks for suggesting the other games, too, I’ll try to introduce them as soon as I’ve got a basic understanding of them myself (someone’s got to know the rules, right).

I already had been contemplating buying Sklansky’s Theory of Poker (€25.10) and possibly some other books as well, so perhaps it is high time I did just that. Which brings me to another question: could you recommend some other books, aside from Sklansky’s?

I presume Professional NL Hold’Em by Miller et al. is worth buying, at least judging by Ed’s blog? €25.10 seems like a fair price. But I’m interested in other forms of poker too (practically all of those I mentioned in my first post). Would Brunson’s Super System (also €25.10) be a useful asset to get started on Stud, Stud 8, 2-7 Triple Draw, Razz etc, or is it a bit outdated? I can’t learn them all at the same time, but something to fall back on would be nice (rather than printing tons of pages from the Web).

(Fyi, I use this site.) 

3:01 pm
January 20, 2008


BTR

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For general poker knowledge - The Theory of Poker

For 7 Card Stud - Super Sytem 1 had a section by Chip Reese that was good.  I think the 7cs version in Super System 2 was written by Jennifer Harman but I didn’t buy it because I already owned the 1st version.  7 Card Stud for Advanced Players by Ray Zee is also a good book for Stud.

For Omaha I would recommend Bob Ciaffone’s Omaha Poker.  It’s not a lengthy book by any means, but it covers what it needs to cover.

Professional NL Hold’em by Flynn Mehta and Miller is a very good book although they do spend way too much time in the book talking about the 2nd edition.

For Razz there used to be a book called Skalansky on Razz, but I think that book has been folded into a chapter of another Sklansky book.  Perhaps Sklansky on Poker?

I don’t think Super System covers 2-7 TD.  In fact I’m not aware of many books on draw poker at all.  The section on Game Theory in Theory of Poker becomes very valuable in all draw games because it’s a brick is much harder to read when it’s not on the table.

4:47 am
January 21, 2008


Todd

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…snip…

I don’t think Super System covers 2-7 TD.  

…snip…

Super System 2 has a chapter on 2-7 by Negreanu. 

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