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how to play medium top 2 pair? (NL)

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5:31 am
August 1, 2007


Greyzy

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I have trouble with this kind of hand. I'd appreciate any comments, general concepts etc.

 

Here's a typical hand:

Tight table with lots of folds to PF raises and to bets on the flop (steals appear to be common). Blinds are 0.02/0.04$ (micro-NL).

I'm on the button with: 10:hearts: 8:hearts:

My stack: 90BB (everybody has me covered)

UTG+1 limps; MP limps; I limp (maybe the trouble starts here already?); SB completes; BB checks

Flop (5BB): 10:diamonds: 8:clubs: 3:diamonds:

checked to MP who bets 3BB (MP is TAG, so this might well be an attempt to steal)

I raise to 9BB (on one hand I wanted to punish a steal and also protect my hand against a flush/str8 draw, OTOH I didn't want to bet too much in case he limped with 33, 88 or even TT).

=> What should be my priority here (protect the pot against draws; extract the most out of overpairs/flopped pairs; protect my stack against a set; anything else???)? How can I accomplish that goal best?

On with the hand: all fold; MP calls

Turn (23 BB): Q:diamonds:

MP bets 20BB (Since he's an aggressive player this could be a bluff representing a flush.)

The bet size really posed a problem for me (75BB left): a smaller bet => easy call; a bigger bet => not so easy but still fold. What would you do and why?)

I don't want to spoil your thinking with telling you the rest of the hand (at least for now).

Any ideas? Am I the only one having trouble with flopped 2 pair hands? :)

9:03 am
August 1, 2007


threads13

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I'll give it a shot.  I am about halfway through PNL so let's see how much these new concepts help me!  

 

This is a pretty ugly thing right now.  You are having to make a decision for the rest of your stack and the way he played his hand make me think of sets and flush draws.  Since the stack at the beginning of the turn is 4x the pot you are at the commitment threshold.  He makes life hard on you when he bets here, crossing that threshold.  This means that you need to have a plan to commit with your hand.  Since that flush draw just completed and a TAG just bet into you OOP it is hard to know whether you will be good here very often if you end up AI. 

 

Giving him a range… I think he may have the nut flush, two pair with a hand like QTs, a pair plus the nut FD with AdT, or a set.  You aren't really way ahead of any of his range and you are way behind quite a bit of it, especially if you get AI.  I think you have to fold.   Wow, that seems weak.

 

I also would like to point you that I think you should raise more on the flop.  When that flop comes you should be thinking that you want a bit pot so you should make a bigger raise. I would think a PSR to 14BB would be good.

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