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1:18 am
November 10, 2007
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richardO
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Hi,
This is my first post to any kind of poker forum - I’ve been playing NL for about a year or so online at low limits (.25, .50, $1) - and I know that I’m often losing money on situations when I’ve got the best hand on the flop, but tend to get stuck on the river when draws come in. And I think that half the time it’s because I’m not being aggressive enough when I’ve got position, and while I’m in the lead.
What are your opinions on this hand.
Today I sat down at a $1 NL table online, immediately posted the blind and was in mid position. I got dealt 88. UTG min-raised. I called. The button called. Blinds fold.
Pot 7.5 BB. Flop came Qh 8d 3h. UTG bets out 5x BB. I make it 15x BB. Button folds, UTG calls.
Pot 37.5 BB. Turn is a 10c. UTG checks. I bet 30 BB. He calls.
Pot 97.5 BB. River is a Jh. UTG goes all in (he has me covered, slightly), leaving me with a call of just over 50 BBs.
What would you do/have done, considering it’s my very first hand at the table, and I have no read on my opponent, at all. (My bad, as I could have taken 5 minutes to watch the table rather than just think, "Great! Seats opened up! Let’s play!". But I don’t think I’m alone in not always taking the time… )
I’d appreciate any thoughts on how you would have done things differently.
Thanks,
Richard
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7:46 am
November 10, 2007
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JJS
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With my usual warning that I’m not an expert, here’s my take:
Why would UTG go all in if they hit a straight or a flush on the river? You bet the flop and the turn. If I hit my flush UTG I would check it to you and hope that you bet again, rather than risk scaring you away.
UTG probably has AQ and hit TPTK on the flop and thinks it’s good. Then they didn’t improve on the turn or on the river and is now just trying to push you off the hand with a big bluff on a board with a lot of draw possibilities. So I call here (and hopefully you are playing within your bankroll so getting stacked wouldn’t give you any big problem).
I hope some of our more experienced players weigh in here, would be nice to know if I’m even close…
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11:58 am
November 10, 2007
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mbuss
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I felt the same way, JJS, but was way too much of a coward to be the first to say it.
His line doesn’t feel like a flush to me. A player might play AKh that way, but I think it’s more likely you’re up against a Q. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he has a very poorly played set of Queens. He could have a poorly played AA. I can’t think of another suited hearts hand that would min-raise UTG and call huge bets on the flop and turn. I can’t imagine he has a 9 in his hand either. My guess would be that you’re probably good.
One thing you might have done differently is raise more on the flop. After your raise, it was 10 BB for him to call into a 17.5 BB pot. Not the proper odds to draw, but if you are well and truly afraid of the flush draws, you might want to make them make as big a mistake in calling your flop raise as you possibly can.
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7:38 pm
November 11, 2007
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Todd
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mbuss said:
I felt the same way, JJS, but was way too much of a coward to be the first to say it.
His line doesn’t feel like a flush to me. A player might play AKh that way, but I think it’s more likely you’re up against a Q.
This is NL1. He has the flush here a lot. I don’t think you’re ahead here that much. But, I still call generally would call. He is bluffing occasionally.
He isn’t bluff shoving all that often with a bare Q. The pot is a little too big for that. Not to say that it never happens, but now that every draw has come in, you aren’t going to bet a lot of your range. You will check behind with almost everything. If his draw came in, he has to bet for value.
All of that said, I’m sticking in a bigger bet on the turn with so many draws out there. People draw badly at these limits a lot. Overbet the pot a bit. You give the villain a little worse price if he is drawing and you’re decision is easier on the river. You’ll be getting like 4-1 to call. If he drew out, he drew out. No fun, but it happens.
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12:02 pm
November 13, 2007
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Ed Miller
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Hi Richard,
Welcome and thanks for the question. I responded on the blog.
Ed
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1:31 pm
November 13, 2007
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SelfMade
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If he was on a flush draw, I think you gave him good odds to call on the flop. There was 12.5 bb in the pot when you bet 15, making it 27.5 bb. It’s 10 to him to call, so he’s getting 2.75/1 pot odds. Being about 4.2/1 against hitting the flush, he only needs to find another 1.45/1 in implied pot odds (he’d actually be in worse shape than that since you have boat outs). That’s 14.5 bb more he needs to win: an easy call.
If you’d raised the pot on the flop (to 22.5 bb), you’d be giving him 2/1 pot odds, a lot harder call. I’m not saying I bet/raise the pot every time there are draws out there. 
Your stacks aren’t deep enought to justify his call on the turn with even an excellent draw, so I think you bet enough.
I assume this was NL with 50 cent/$1 blinds? We usually call that NL $100 online, from the max buyin.
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5:46 pm
November 13, 2007
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Todd
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I assume this was NL with 50 cent/$1 blinds? We usually call that NL $100 online, from the max buyin.
lol, when I first read it, I assumed it was NL1. Yeah, NL100 I’m betting more on the flop and turn. The river still doesn’t matter.
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