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Does anyone have some insights of how to make more use out of poker tracker to analyze your game?
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9:07 pm
May 11, 2007
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BTR
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That would be highly dependent on how you use poker tracker now. I'd be more than happy to help you, but you have to give me a starting point atleast.
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I know things like how to check if you are falling in love with pocket pairs (such as QQ-TT) and not letting go when you should.
I know how to check my position stats to see if I am playing the right amount of hands in every position.
I know about how to check to see how well I play from the blinds.
Other than that, I know how to set the filters for results and find out other information, it's just that I don't have a gauge of which to interpet it. (example: I know my VPIP$ should be around 20%. The further away from that I am, the looser I am. However, things like RFI% and CC. I know what they mean, but how can these stats (and the others) help me?
One thought is that quite a few of these stats in question may only be helpful in analyzing other peoples play rather than my own perhaps?
Thanks
thatjimguy
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4:11 am
May 12, 2007
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brasilstu
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Yeah, I spent $20 on it about a month ago. What I've just mentioned above is almost the extent of what it taught me. There is a bit about auto-rating and how to analyze other players. But that's about all.
A lot of filler and pictures to fill it up in a 66 page e-book.
Three of the 66 pages talk about how to change your screen name in Poker Stars. I'm not kidding, 3 pages on it.
I didn't pay $20 for information on the finer point of Poker Site Software, I wanted to know more about how to use Poker Tracker!
Two pages are spent talking about what defines a "loose" player and a "tight" player. You gotta be kidding me! Gee. I didn't know a rock only plays with the best hands and throws the rest away. Thanks for taking the time to fill me in.
Somebody should have added to thier definition of a "fish" as …"someone who plays recklessly, see the flop way too often, and buys the Poker Tracker Guide".
Whenever there are instructions that say things like "click on the filters tab" they proceed to show a very large picture to demonstrate where the button is with almost every step. So now an article that would take a page now takes up 3 or more.
Lets not forget that the book truly doesn't even start until page six in the first place!
The last six pages are especially silly. They actually spend all those pages talking about three of the overlay programs like PokerAceHUD that works with Poker Tracker. Like I need that many pages to simply explain to me how using overlay programs can be useful…
None of the above things would be too bad…if the book was 200 pages long. However, it's only 66 and all that filler just got me sour.
Now this isnt to say that there isnt info worth having, however, all of it could be summed up in about 10 pages or so. Of course, you can't sell a book that's only 10 pages long now can you?
Serves me right for buying an e-book, but I was craving information on extra information on how to use Poker Tracker a bit more. This "guide" should have been a base of what the programmer of Poker Tracker should have given us for instructions. As much as I like the program, I don't know what that guy was thinking when he made the instructions so thin. Overall, buying the Poker Tracker guide made me feel like a fish. If you got $20 and you want to put it toward improving your poker, buy one of Ed's books or DVDs.
Thanks for letting me vent.
thatjimguy
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7:55 am
May 12, 2007
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brasilstu
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To be honest, I wasn't that impressed either. I'm not even sure that the site that sells it represnts the authors. I know the version I had that was a few years old had no copyright info it, I think it was written by some people in a forum.
There's some good two plus two posts on PokerTracker, you may have read those too.
Here's the best one:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4946669&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1
Or if you go to two plus two and post your questions there, you'll probably get flamed and told what post to read.
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Yeah, there are a few things there that'll save anyone reading this $20.
At leat now I don't feel alone that I feel like I got taken.
Dude, dig this
http://www.parttimepoker.com/poker-strategy-articles/052006/sample_leak_finding.htm
I guess the guys at PTguide allowed them to place a sample chapter up. The funny thing is, this is equivalent of seeing a movie preview that ends up being a spoiler to the movie. Really, once you read this, there isn't much left that you will get new once you pay for it.
I was on the fence of wondering if these guys are just incopmetent at putting together a product, or if their intent was to make the product less than stellar. With this, I'm starting to get the idea it's the latter.
They had to of known that this was the meat of the entire book. By allowing this post, they get to make it look like the entire contents are just as meaty. I swear, I am never buying an e-book for as long as I live, no matter what it is or how much it costs. At least with a real book, you can take a gander and see if it's worth buying. Anything worth reading is worth printing.
Oh well, I lose $20, they lose thier integrity and get a negative expectation on thier souls with that play.
C'est la vie.
thatjimguy
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11:11 pm
May 12, 2007
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BTR
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Lets take a closer look at RFI. In an unfiltered results table RFI is basically useless. RFI (Raise when First In) is the % of time that you open raise a particular hand. In my stats, I have an RFI of 37% with AA. Obviously I raise this hand a lot. In fact my pfr% with AA is 99.96%, so what does the RFI% tell us? Nothing. Any limper, or any raiser causes you to not be first in and the hand doesn't get marked for RFI.
So, how can you actually user RFI? Filter with it! Under the General information tab, click the filter button, under the Pre-Flop-Raise section check Raise First In. This filters to only hands that were raised first in or "opened raised".
Now we have the beginnings of something useful. Add another filter condition for position, for example Positions off the button EXACTLY 1. This will filter to open raises from the cutoff.
A8o is near the botttom of my range of opening from the CO, I am winning 50% of the time when I open raise this hand from the CO. A8o has about 30% equity vs 3 random hands. 25% would be break even on a rakeless table. Either I'm running extremely hot with A8o or I'm getting far more fold equity than I thought I would indicating I might want to start opening with A7o or A6o from the CO.
I'm winning 37.5% with KJs when I open with it from the CO, slightly about the 36.8% equity it has versus 3 random hands, but my sample size is pathetically small for this hand (16) over 200,000+ hands.
RFI% can be useful, but you're going to need a large sample size for rates to converge if used as in my examples.
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Thanks BTR that's a good one.
Here's one I'd like to know. I want to know if I am taking top pair to a showdown too often.
I set the filter to a range of all broadway hands. I hit "Bet" and "raised" for flop action. I then hit "Went to Showdown and lost".
So I now have all the hands that should cover that scenario. How can I check, other than going through each hand seperately, to see if I am taking them to the river too much?
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8:49 pm
May 14, 2007
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BTR
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thatjimguy said:
I want to know if I am taking top pair to a showdown too often.
What's your winning % with TP at showdown? You'll have to sort by pot size to get anything meaningful out of that statistic.
If the pot is 2bb you only need to be winning 33% to be even. Anything greater than 33% is showing a profit.
That said, I find it very difficult to believe that your pots are typically that small. For a hand getting 6:1 on the river, you only need 14.29%. Your winning percentages are WAY better than that with TP.
Getting 10:1 or more laying any pair down is likely an error if the pot's heads up. You can't possibly have reads accurate enough to not call as a bluff catcher.
By the time you get to the river, you don't have to win often to be profitable. You're probably better off trying to find out how you got to the river. Are you calling 2 cold with weak hands? Are you not raising/or check raising to knock out opponents when you should?
My point (I know I tend to ramble to them), there are far bigger leaks to attempt to plug than winning % of TP on the river.
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It looks like I'm ok there then. I'm at 39% win at showdown with one pair.
As far as as other leaks to plug, I'm all ears! (Feel free to ramble…I do the same thing.)
(BTW, how do you get your avatar online? I can't find the way to do it.)
Thanks
thatjimguy
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10:27 pm
May 14, 2007
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BTR
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I followed the link Elaine posted 1 or 2 days after the forums opened.
http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/board?forum=1&topic=1&page=1
(For the record my W$SD with one pair is 36.68% of a couple 100K hands)
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