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5:14 pm
August 21, 2007


BTR

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Yesterday, I was stacked 3 times in 5 hands and it didn’t bother me at all.  I couldn’t wait to get more money on the table.  I seldom, if ever tilt.  My hand reading skills are reasonable.  My people reading skills are reasonable as well.  Over nearly 1 Million limit hands online, I averaged ~3bb/100.  My NL hold’em game is clearly profitable as well though I’m no expert.  I’ve spent countless hours off the table studying the game and improving.  My game is solid, but there’s always room to improve.

The point?  More and more I find myself asking what else is being spread.  I find myself playing games I’m not really good at like Omaha H/L, Stud, or Badugi.  Why? Clearly I could make more money at the hold’em tables but Hold’em has become almost like a job.  I started playing because it was fun.  I already have a job and I’m not looking to replace it (although all offers will be reviewed Wink ).  I have fun at these alternate games partly because I don’t know if I’m playing well or like a total donkey.

How as a player do you keep focus on a game after reaching an intermediate skill level?  The low hanging fruit, aka leaks have been fixed and like I said earlier improving and playing hold’em is starting to feel like work.   

7:15 pm
August 21, 2007


AKQJ10

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posts 116

Well, I’m a bit of a dabbler so I can relate.   But I think you can see the glass as half full, too.   If you’ve enjoyed the learning process in hold ‘em up to this point, great!   If you’d rather spend your time learning something else for now, great!

 Different people are motivated by different things.   At present I’m working to keep get better at NLHE (and some LHE) because I tell myself that the money I win will subsidize my lessons at stud, HORSE, badugi, triple draw, etc.   But mostly I want to play lots of B&M, and except at very low or very high stakes — or for geographical concentrations like mid-limit stud on the East Coast — that means some form of hold ‘em.

5:45 am
August 22, 2007


threads13

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It is a matter of personal preference, but I like learning other games to keep it fresh.  I find that after I spend a really long period of time on one game it is very easy to get burnt out if you are playing a lot.  I tend to try to keep it fresh by occasionally playing in some tourneys and switching to limit and NL HE.  I also am of the opinion that learning other games can often help you learn things about another. 

 

It is really key to keep it fun.  Switch it up, and try to figure out why it feels like work to you.  

 

It is also good to take some time off from it occasionally. 

12:07 pm
August 22, 2007


Todd

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I think part of it is oversaturation as much as burnout.  The is so much NL on TV and played online.

As for keeping focus, I’m still working on the intermediate part and my game is still growing pretty steadily so I haven’t reached that plateau where interest can wane.

I find that when I am playing too many hands online and am in the doldroms, I like to play live card games.  Not necessarily poker, but hearts, spades, whist, bridge, cribbage, pitch, whatever.  I find social games with cards really, really enjoyable.  Time off is good too.

 

3:41 pm
August 22, 2007


BTR

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I would LOVE to find someone who would play hearts, bridge or even Gin.  I can’t seem to generate any interest with any friends/acquaintances

Once a week I play Chinese poker with a co-worker and I absolutely love it.  We usually play 13 card but about once a month will mix it up with 17 card.

5:16 pm
August 22, 2007


JJS

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BTR, I am familiar with what you are talking about. I am not a poker expert but rather I approach it from the direction of mathematics and engineering which has been my career for the last 27 years.

There is an old Zen saying: "In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert’s mind there are few." You have beginner’s mind in all those other games you mentioned. This is always a fun thing because of the many possibilities you perceive. It’s a little like walking around in a big open scenic field on a nice sunny day.

But then if you decide to study, to become an expert - well then the possibilities start to decrease. The field starts to shrink. At times it can even feel like there are walls closing in on you. The fun starts to decrease. It may even go away completely.

This makes the transition difficult. Not everyone can make it through. But if you get through to the other side, and become an expert - then there are rewards there that make it all worthwhile. Not only because you can win more money playing poker, but also because the feeling of accomplishment will carry over into other things that you do. You know that you accomplished something good once, therefore you know you can do it again.

As Ed wrote in one of his articles, when you reach this stage you know it. The knowledge will come from within, and you will not be in doubt.

My advice is to play all those other games, and specifically avoid learning too much about them. Enjoy Beginner’s Mind wherever you can. After all, it’s fun! But if you play any of those games for money then of course prudence dictates that you should play at low limits where the loss is not a burden. Think of it as entertainment, much like paying for a night out at a resturant or a movie.

At the same time, continue to study and analyze your hold’em game and continue improving. There’s no hurry. You can take breaks from it as you go. The feeling of accomplishment in this direction will be it’s own reward.

 

 

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