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12:25 pm
May 19, 2008


Ed Miller

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posts 161

I'm starting this thread as a place to talk about the recent changes at NPA. Below I'm copy-and-pasting a few posts from other people to move all the discussion here.

12:26 pm
May 19, 2008


Ed Miller

Admin

posts 161

Ex-Stoxpoker-Fan said


I think the way that you’ve been treated by Stoxpoker is absolutely
scandalous - and if it isn’t them then please put an end to all the
speculation and innuendo by naming and shaming. I literally cried when
I heard the news. What an indictment on the money-grabbers - it has
done NOTHING for the reputation they are trying to build as a genuine
community. I for one (and my cousin for 2) will not be renewing our
stoxpoker membership. Don’t be bullied Ed. You’re a good guy, and
NotedPokerAuthority is building up your reputation so that you can one
day make serious money without tying yourself in to onesided deals.

12:28 pm
May 19, 2008


Ed Miller

Admin

posts 161

Little Old Lady said:


Dear Ex-Stoxpoker fan:

If you don’t believe Edward and you don’t believe Bryce, maybe you
will believe me. This mess has nothing whatsoever to do with greed or
moneygrubbing on either Edward’s or Stoxpoker’s part. Stoxpoker has
done nothing scandalous or harmful to Edward.

If you and your cousin are otherwise satisfied with the services
that Stoxpoker provides, please do not cancel your subscriptions
because you think they have taken advantage of Edward. They haven’t,
and indeed they have been supportive in trying to resolve this problem.
If anyone is presently considering a Stoxpoker membership, please
consider it on the merits of what they provide without regard to this
current issue. Stoxpoker is essentially blameless.

Trust me. I would never have a good word to say about anyone who scandalously mistreated Edward.

12:36 pm
May 19, 2008


Ed Miller

Admin

posts 161

Tim said:


@ Little Old Lady,
If Ex-Stoxpoker Fan doesn’t believe Ed or Bryce, how can he (or
anyone?) believe you? The question is: who are you and what kind of
inside information do you have?

I’m curious about this as well, and while I haven’t subscribed to
Stox yet, I’m looking into getting a sbsciption to one of the popular
video sites (CR, Stox, deuces cracked, PXF).

My personal guess is cardplayer.com at this point. While I obviously
don’t have any evidence, it would make sense that they want readers to
browse their archieves, not someone elses blog archieve.

1:08 pm
May 19, 2008


JJS

Member

posts 47

People,


I've said before and will say again, there is waaaaay too much crapola going on about this.


Pressures are exerted all the time in the business world. There is nothing wrong or immoral about it. It's the way business is done in a capitalist system. If something illegal is being done, that's a different thing, and there are lawyers and court procedures for that sort of thing that Ed can avail himself of if necessary.


Ed is a big boy, he can handle whatever pressures are put on him without the need for our help.


Ed also posted a new poker article, and I'm sure there must be someone with technical questions about it. It's time to resume our regular programme, isn't it?


1:53 pm
May 19, 2008


JPat

Guest

“Pressures are exerted all the time in the business world. There is
nothing wrong or immoral about it. It's the way business is done in a
capitalist system.”


Your reasoning is precarious. You are classifying something as moral only due to the fact that it is accepted in a capitalist system.


That being said I don't think there is any sense in dwelling on the subject either. Involement of Stoxpoker in threats of any form has been officially disclaimed (as expected). And apparently it is not in Ed's interest to share any details about the alleged threats, which is perfectly fine.


2:27 pm
May 19, 2008


Little Old Lady

New Member

posts 2

Ed Miller said:

Tim said:


@ Little Old Lady,
If Ex-Stoxpoker Fan doesn’t believe Ed or Bryce, how can he (or
anyone?) believe you? The question is: who are you and what kind of
inside information do you have?

I’m curious about this as well, and while I haven’t subscribed to
Stox yet, I’m looking into getting a sbsciption to one of the popular
video sites (CR, Stox, deuces cracked, PXF).

My personal guess is cardplayer.com at this point. While I obviously
don’t have any evidence, it would make sense that they want readers to
browse their archieves, not someone elses blog archieve.

Tim–

I thought my screen name was well known, but since it clearly isn't, I am Edward's mother, and I am very well aware of all the details of this situation and have been aware of them since this problem started. I have no financial interest in Stoxpoker or in this site, and I can assure you that I would not open my mouth to defend anyone who threatened or pressured Edward. I am defending Stoxpoker because I know that they did nothing whatever that is reprehensible, and it bothers me to read that people want to give up their subscriptions solely because they think the guys at Stoxpoker have done something wrong. They haven't–quite the contrary.

Now Edward is not a little chick who needs his clucking mother hen to defend him, and I am sure he would prefer me to be still. However, since Ex-Stoxpoker Fan did not seem to believe the assurances made by Edward and Bryce, I thought perhaps I would be more believable. There is no way I would say that Stoxpoker is innocent of wrongdoing if they weren't.

LOL



3:15 pm
May 19, 2008


JJS

Member

posts 47

Little Old Lady said:

Now Edward is not a little chick




I agree, Ed doesn't look even a little bit like Keeley Hazell.


Laughing


3:35 pm
May 19, 2008


Little Old Lady

New Member

posts 2

JJS said:

Little Old Lady said:

Now Edward is not a little chick




I agree, Ed doesn't look even a little bit like Keeley Hazell.


Laughing



OK, I had to google Keeley Hazell. And no, Edward does not have “large natural breasts” as Wikipedia put it, not at all. But some chicks are male, and they grow up to be cocks unless, lamentably, they are shredded alive first. And Edward was not shredded….

3:38 am
May 20, 2008


Greyzy

Member

posts 64

Hi Ed,


by now you must be rather tired with this subject I guess… Frown


Please take it as an appreciation of your great work that some of us got quite emotional when we read about the reasons behind the changes. I can only speak for myself, but I am surely not the only one who wants to offer his assistance in case there's anything we as a community can do to get the pressure off you.


I am aware that it's almost impossible to explain your reasons (in a PUBLIC!!! forum) once it comes to naming people or institutions behind all this. So we all should simply take your word on who is NOT behind the threats you told us about.


It might be easier for us to get along with this, if we would understand, why it is so important to someone that we pay for certain content. Is it a copyright issue? Is it a tax issue so that this site can/will be treated as a “commercial” site?


It's hard to believe that you or someone else wants to make big bucks this way. Who would pay for something that is possible to get for free during the first 30 days? This doesn't sound like a great business model, but rather something you came up with to get some “public servants” off your back.


Anyway I respect your right to not give us any more details if you don't want to! Please let us know if there's anything we can do as a community!


Greyzy

4:43 am
May 20, 2008


AK20sec

Guest

If you'll ask a fair amount for an achive of a blog (with great arctiles) that were published for free for 30 days, than this is not too bad.


If you (or whoever) will charge the readers an unreasonable amount, because those who supress you rahter don't want the arctiles available than this sucks!

10:54 am
May 20, 2008


Bryce

Guest

Regarding Bryce, my namesake, I have serious questions about whether he is human or not. Anyone who has heard one of his poker videos might reasonably conclude he is an excellent pokerbot.

3:51 pm
May 20, 2008


AKQJT

Guest

Rumour has it that Darth Vader's got his dirty little mitts involved with this

8:04 am
May 22, 2008


AKQJ10

Guest

Just to be clear, the preceding reply was from someone with a similar user name, not me.

10:00 am
May 22, 2008


Fred

Guest

Hi Ed. I just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all the effort you've put into notedpokerauthority.com, and thanks for keeping it free for so long. While I am saddened by the outcome, it's perfectly understandable and I'll continue to be a fan and reader of the site.


Thanks for the help with crushing wild games and not going broke with AA so much!


- Fred

1:36 pm
May 23, 2008


MTDog-7

New Member

Montana

posts 1

OK…….Mason says it was Stox, Ed says it's not Stox……………..


ED Help clear this thing up so we know. I have been a subcriber to Stox and don't like the way they Auto renewed me without my permission. I been thinking of cancelling anyway except I love your lessons thats why I bought your 4 DVD set.


Come on Ed put this thing to rest.

9:06 pm
May 24, 2008


JJS

Member

posts 47

MTDog-7 said:


Come on Ed put this thing to rest.


Both Ed and Ed's mom have emphatically stated that it wasn't Stox.

As for Mason, what does he know anyway?

I don't know what more Ed can say. If you want to know who it was, well, Ed obviously has his reasons for not discussing that. Like I said above, Ed is a big boy and he knows what's best for himself. We should respect that, and not try to dig for more than what he wants to give us.


4:46 pm
May 27, 2008


Ed Miller

Admin

posts 161

What Matt Flynn said in this thread is true. Mason Malmuth is the one who has been trying to force changes here at NPA. It started in about September of last year, and it's gone from an initial demand that I shut the website down entirely to a letter from his lawyer demanding that I remove all articles older than 3 months to threats of breaking deals with Stoxpoker if they couldn't convince me to alter the site.


I struck a deal with Stoxpoker designed to appease Mason and keep him off Stoxpoker's back. I'm not sure it's the right thing for Stoxpoker, and I'm not sure I did the right thing either.


This NPA stuff is just the tip of the iceberg with Mason. He's been pressuring, harrassing, and smearing me and the people I work with (Matt Flynn, Sunny Mehta, the Stoxpoker guys) for nearly two years now. He says it's about book sales or this or that, but there's no doubt in my mind that his main motivation is purely personal. He's trying to “get” me any way he can think of.


I hate this kind of stuff. I just want to talk about poker. My original strategy was to keep doing my thing and not to dignify Mason's nonsense with a response, but it's pretty clear now that Mason is going to keep pushing and pushing until I can't ignore him anymore. I should have nipped it in the bud, but I didn't, and now we'll see where it goes from here.

5:59 pm
May 27, 2008


janeg

Guest

It's a shame he's getting away with this; if you're not publishing copyrighted material does he have a leg to stand on, legally? Just because he published a few of your books surely doesn't give him the right to dictate limits on what publish publicly for the rest of your life!


Tough decision for you and the guys at Stox; just hope giving him an inch doesn't make him think he can take a mile.

7:05 pm
May 27, 2008


Little Old Lady

Guest

janeg said:

It's a shame he's getting away with this; if you're not publishing copyrighted material does he have a leg to stand on, legally? Just because he published a few of your books surely doesn't give him the right to dictate limits on what publish publicly for the rest of your life!


Tough decision for you and the guys at Stox; just hope giving him an inch doesn't make him think he can take a mile.


Of course, Mason doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. If he did, he would have stood on it months ago. There is no non-compete clause in Edward's contracts. I know because I went over the first one with a fine tooth comb, and I had some concerns about it. His lack of legal standing is what motivated Mason to involve StoxPoker. He threatened StoxPoker with actions which were within his capacity to follow through on. Both StoxPoker and Edward as a member of the StoxPoker team felt that Mason's proposed actions would have had negative consequences, and so, as Edward says, he and the StoxPoker honchos negotiated a deal which they hoped would appease Mason and get him off their backs and would make Edward's capitulation to Mason's demands essentially on StoxPoker's behalf a little easier for him to take. I can only hope that these public revelations will discourage Mason from trying to take a mile, as janeg put it.


It should be noted that as far as I know the other 2p2 authors involved with StoxPoker or who publish material elsewhere than 2p2 are not experiencing this nonsense. To paraphrase my old classmate Donald Trump, “It's not business; it's just personal.”

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