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4:26 pm
May 13, 2007


Pawel

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Limit Holdem Ring game
9 players

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with ah 3h
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: 9d js 4h (3.6SB, 3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 2c (1.8BB, 3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: 7h (3.8BB, 2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: 3.8BB

Actually looking at this hand after I allready posted it I think it's clearly a fold. I have 7 outs (4 fives and 3 Aces assuming that hea has a pair).

4:53 pm
May 13, 2007


BTR

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posts 180

You should dump this hand on the turn.  Your only getting 2:1 so the pot is VERY small.  You have 4 outs to a wheel, and maybe 1 to your A (You have to discount it for the size of the kicker and that 1 pair doesn't always win).  With a 5 out draw getting 2:1 is a clear fold.


8:33 pm
May 13, 2007


thatjimguy

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posts 80

First off, the pot is small, so folding ain't bad. 

Against three players, that flop probally did hit anyone and not too drawy. I would have bet the flop.

You only need to get them both to fold one time out of three for the play in and of itself to be break-even. But that not why I'd bet. Here are the gravy reasons.

Betting will help disguise your bets. If you end up checking the turn if it doesn't help. People may remember that and give you a bit more action later on.

The turn may help you. There a in four chance a heart will come. At that point, your odds to take away the hand improve dramatically.

You could get a better Ace to fold. Freeing up those 3 outs. 

12:00 pm
May 14, 2007


Pawel

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posts 116

Yes

I was thinking on checking the flop and foldingon the turn. In this session I was doing lots of betting the flop so I checked here to have a little variance (it was the same session where I checked the set on flop, it was late in the session) and I thought I have a slim chance to fold them because I was getting looked up a little more recently. Basically I was planning to give this one up, but the deuce on the turn messed my mind.
But again if I had bet the flop the pot would be a little bigger and maybe would justify calling on the turn.

8:29 pm
May 14, 2007


BTR

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posts 180

No one has ever folded to the dreaded 'call'.  If you bet the flop and get called in both places, you still do not have proper odds to continue.  In a full ring game let this hand go.

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