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7:20 pm
November 8, 2007


EGJ

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I had a tough hand recently that I probably misplayed.  Interested to get others’ reactions.

It was a home game, 1-2 NL cash.  In the hand in question, effective stack sizes were about $400.  A laggy early position player raised to $7, an aggressive and somewhat loose player in middle position called, and I called from a blind with 45s.  My image is generally tight.  Pot is $22 now.

The flop came 45T rainbow giving me bottom two pair.  I checked, EP led out for $20 and MP raised to $80.  MP loves to semibluff with draws, but he generally doesn’t raise with air.  I put him on either an OESD or a strong made hand (how strong exactly I don’t really know).

I didn’t really know what to do here.  I felt like any raise would pot commit me, and that my opponents would play perfectly in response - they would fold any hand that I beat, and call any hand that I was behind.  I elected to just call, intending to lead out on a safe turn.  EP folded.  Pot is $202.

Unfortunately, the turn was a 3 - 67 was a hand I thought quite consistent with MP’s play given his fondness for semibluffs.  So I checked, and MP made a smallish bet of, let’s say, $80.  I don’t think this is a bluff, but I think he can still have just one pair, so I call.  Pot is $362.

The river is a K.  I check-call another small bet of $120 or so.
Turns out he had KT and rivered me.

I did some analysis of this hand afterwards, and it appears that if he’s consistently raising AT and KT on this flop in that spot, then I can profitably push.  His range in that scenario would be sets, OESDs, AT, KT and 45.  In fact, though, I think he’ll sometimes call with a hand like KT or even AT, so I don’t know.

I think I can also consider reraising the flop and folding to a push.  People don’t usually recommend putting in half your stack and then folding, but I can’t see him re-re-raising a tight player with  anything that I beat.

I could also lead out on this flop.  Normally I would do that; not sure why I didn’t here.  I did feel confident with two aggressive players behind me that I would get some action if I checked.

 

9:51 pm
November 9, 2007


karbyn

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I think image means a lot here. Generally, you could c/r them both all in.

I bought in for the minimum $80 at 2/4 table … I had just played this hand on the button, my third at the table ( folded one on the flop, the other PF ) so I was an unknown.  No history on the villains.  ( sorry, no nifty converter for this HH ).

Seat 1: karbyn - $70
Seat 2: P2157A - $350.30
Seat 3: basisti - $400
Seat 4: thesaintsback - $148.56
Seat 5: Millions - $434.20
Seat 6: AbsinthTears - $431.48
Moving Button to seat 1
P2157A posts small blind ($2)
basisti posts big blind ($4)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Js Jc] to karbyn
thesaintsback calls $4
Millions raises to $20
AbsinthTears calls $20
karbyn raises to $70 (all-in)
P2157A folds
basisti folds
thesaintsback folds
Millions folds
AbsinthTears folds
karbyn doesn’t show
karbyn wins $70

and then this hand came up next from the cutoff …

Seat 1: karbyn - $120
Seat 2: P2157A - $348.30
Seat 3: basisti - $396
Seat 4: thesaintsback - $144.56
Seat 5: Millions - $414.20
Seat 6: AbsinthTears - $411.48
basisti posts small blind ($2)
thesaintsback posts big blind ($4)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [8h 9s] to karbyn
Millions folds
AbsinthTears calls $4
karbyn calls $4
P2157A raises to $12
basisti folds
thesaintsback calls $12
AbsinthTears calls $12
karbyn calls $12
Dealing Flop [8c 9d 7h]
thesaintsback checks
AbsinthTears checks
karbyn checks
P2157A bets $30
thesaintsback calls $30
AbsinthTears folds
karbyn raises to $108 (all-in)
P2157A raises to $336.30 (all-in)
thesaintsback folds
Returning $228.30 to P2157A uncalled
karbyn shows [8h 9s]
P2157A shows [Th Td]
Dealing Turn [Qd]
Dealing River [2s]
Taking Rake of $3 from pot 1
P2157A has One Pair: 10s
karbyn has Two Pairs: 9s, 8s
karbyn wins $293 with: Two Pairs: 9s, 8s

I had put him on an overpair, and was basically playing to hit a big hand. Got to admit I was hoping for a straight, but this did. I think he decided to look me up this time. Pretty bad call on his part I think. Happy he did though.

So, I guess I am saying that you should have raised all in if his range was as wide as you say.

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