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7:15 am
September 13, 2007


threads13

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I have been thinking about this stuff a lot lately and this is reflected in the questions I have been asking. I think I have some good thoughts put together but I want to run them by you all to make sure I am not losing it.

 

I have been thinking about top pair hands OOP in the SPR light. Specifically, I have been thinking about how it players when I am near my target SPR, when I am in the SPR danger zone with a middle SPR, and when I have a high SPR.

 

This hand tends to play itself when I hit my target SPR. I want to get AI so I plan to do just that.

 

When I am in the middle area I am excercizing pot control a bit more. I don’t want to get AI but I want to see a showdown so I play a bit more passively.

 

When I am in the high SPR’s I am not committed but commitment is a longer ways a way. Since I am not committed I think of pot control, but pot control advises keeping the pot small when you aren’t committed. With SPR’s this high keeping the pot small is a lot easier.

For example:

I limp in with 150BB effective stacks and get one limper behind me and the button checks. The flop comes Q32 two-toned and the BB checks to me.

Since the SPR’s are in the 50 range if I take a bet-bet-bet like the pot will still not be big. I will have kept the pot relatively small. For example if I bet 2/3, 1/2, 1/3 then the pot will be ~19BB on my river bet with 140BB behind. This is still a small pot, right? Or, would you consider this a medium pot?

 

If you take the same example with 100BB stacks then the SPR is about ~30. However, if you take the same line the final pot will be 1/4 the size of the remaining stacks. I think at the point the pot is large so pot control may need to be applied somewhere along the way.

Am I thinking about this the right way?

 

PS… I got some crazy blue line that I can’t get rid of… :) 

5:22 pm
September 13, 2007


BTR

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I would consider 19bb with 140bb behind a small pot and 19bb with 90 behind is medium pot but you need a plan to handle a river raise if you’re oop.

The crazy blue line can be deleted by viewing the html.  One tag will look out of place.  Delete that one.

6:43 pm
September 13, 2007


karbyn

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I think you on the right track. 

I’d want to get some $ in the pot on the flop, and take it down on the turn with a semidangerous card.  Ideal of course.  But the only think you are afraid of is Kx right?  You should know if you’re up against a set long before the river.

Ack, I go rambling again :-) 

5:38 am
September 14, 2007


threads13

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karbyn said:

I think you on the right track. 

I’d want to get some $ in the pot on the flop, and take it down on the turn with a semidangerous card.  Ideal of course.  But the only think you are afraid of is Kx right?  You should know if you’re up against a set long before the river.

Ack, I go rambling again :-)  


Why are you wanting to take it down on the turn?

6:42 am
September 14, 2007


Baggie Boy

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When taking the bet/bet/bet line with 150BB doesn’t a raise from your (good/unpredictable) opponent on the Flop or Turn still create a medium sized pot?

9:59 am
September 14, 2007


karbyn

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threads13 said:

Why are you wanting to take it down on the turn?


… with a semi dangerous turn card … we let limpers in and there is 23 on the board. If say a 4 or 5 came, or flush draw, I wouldn’t want to take the chance of being out drawn.  If he comes along for the river, then that’s the next step.  

However, without any evidence of being beat (or the chance of), I’d just make a regular bet … 1/2 the pot or so. 

2:55 pm
September 14, 2007


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Baggie Boy said:

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When taking the bet/bet/bet line with 150BB doesn’t a raise from your (good/unpredictable) opponent on the Flop or Turn still create a medium sized pot?


Absolutely.  A raise still puts us in a hard spot, but not nearly as much so.

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