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10:30 pm
April 17, 2007


threads13

Indiana

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posts 363

Not much on any of these players but they are all on the loose side. 


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players

Stack sizes
UTG: $40.25
UTG+1: $61.95
MP1: $28
CO: $55.70
Button: $20.65
SB: $44.85
Hero:  $33

Pre-flop7 playersHero is BB with 6h As
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

6c Ah 5c
SB checks, Hero…?


What is your plan here?  Are we betting out to build the pot or should we maybe try a c/r? 

10:48 pm
April 17, 2007


Shrike

Member

posts 88

threads13 said:

Not much on any of these players but they are all on the loose side.


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players

Stack sizes
UTG: $40.25
UTG+1: $61.95
MP1: $28
CO: $55.70
Button: $20.65
SB: $44.85
Hero: $33

Pre-flop7 playersHero is BB with 6h As
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

6c Ah 5c
SB checks, Hero…?


What is your plan here? Are we betting out to build the pot or should we maybe try a c/r?


With two opponents behind you yet to act, I'd check and hope someone else feels frisky. Depending on the number of callers, I'd either smooth call or check-raise, planning to bet out on the turn.

I'd favour a check-raise because of the two clubs on board. There is a non-neglible chance that someone either has or will try to represent the flush draw. 

7:28 am
April 18, 2007


Todd

Member

posts 479

threads13 said:

Not much on any of these players but they are all on the loose side. 


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players

Stack sizes
UTG: $40.25
UTG+1: $61.95
MP1: $28
CO: $55.70
Button: $20.65
SB: $44.85
Hero:  $33

Pre-flop7 playersHero is BB with 6h As
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

6c Ah 5c
SB checks, Hero…?


What is your plan here?  Are we betting out to build the pot or should we maybe try a c/r? 


You have $33 and a solid hand.  The board isn't very dangerous.  You have top 2.  I think your willing to go broke here.

UTG and UTG+1 may have weakish suited As or pocket pairs that will pay you off to some extent or KQ, QJ sorts of hands that won't.  SB could have any 2 cards.

I think you want to figure out how to get all of the money into the center, not how to pick up a single bet.  So, I would lean towards leaning with some 1/2 pot sized bet representing some piece of the flop and not towards check raising.  If the players are loose, then you want to encourage the loose calls while they are easy, which is on the flop with 2 cards to come.  The world is still sunny and bright and full of endless possibilities with 2 cards to come. 

Given you're stack and the size of the pot, you have to get a raise in somewhere.  I wouldn't plan on it coming from one of the limpers, but if it did, so much the better.  I would plan on trying to raise on the river. 

You really have to hope that something like ATs or 88 is out there.  Those hands will probably call a bet on the flop.  I'd lead the turn as well. 

So, say it went something like this:  

bet $1, call, call, fold on the flop,  pot  $5

Bet $3, fold, call on the turn, pot $11 

On the river, I would check to UTG or UTG+1 if still in the pot. You have to hope that he has a middle A like AT or AJ and he will try to bet for value or to take away the pot putting you on some sort of raggy A or middle pair.  That will let you get most of the rest of your stack in the center.

If you lead and everybody folds, there was really no money to be made, so don't look back with regret.  If you stack off to a set, well, that happens too.

7:31 am
April 18, 2007


Todd

Member

posts 479

With two opponents behind you yet to act, I'd check and hope someone else feels frisky. Depending on the number of callers, I'd either smooth call or check-raise, planning to bet out on the turn.

I'd favour a check-raise because of the two clubs on board. There is a non-neglible chance that someone either has or will try to represent the flush draw. 


I like Shrikes check/call line if you feel that some one out there will bet your hand for you.  That depends on you read of the table.  I would really like check/call, check/raise or check/call,check/call, check/raise to a serial bluffer.  Espescially the guy who plays every hand and sticks in the big bet on the end that nobody seems to be able to call.

12:31 pm
April 19, 2007


pped5700

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With no real reads on the opponents, other than on the loose side;  I would not want to miss an opportuntiy of getting money in this pot on the flop.  I lead with 1.5$, and would be delighted to have utg, or utg+1 pop it behind me.

1:14 pm
April 19, 2007


threads13

Indiana

Member

posts 363

threads13 said:

Not much on any of these players but they are all on the loose side. 


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players

Stack sizes
UTG: $40.25
UTG+1: $61.95
MP1: $28
CO: $55.70
Button: $20.65
SB: $44.85
Hero:  $33

Pre-flop7 playersHero is BB with 6h As
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

6c Ah 5c(4 players, $2)
SB checks, Hero…?


What is your plan here?  Are we betting out to build the pot or should we maybe try a c/r? 


I want to make this a bit of a play along if you guys don't mind. 


Hero actually checked the flop and UTG+1 bets ~$1.5.  It is folded to me and I raise to $5.  UTG folds and UTG+1 pushes AI.  


Are you calling this one? 

8:54 am
April 30, 2007


Todd

Member

posts 479

For you, the pot is $38 and is $28 to call, so your getting a little less than 1.4 – 1.  The pot isn't offering your call that great an overlay, but you are getting an overlay.

The pot is limped, so it is unlikely that the villain has something like AA, AK or AQ.

The villains sane range is something like {AcXc, Ad5d, Ad6d, 55, 66, 56, 7c8c} 

Against that range you have 65% equity in the pot and it's right to call.

If you think the villain wouldn't push with a pair and nut flush draw or the combo draw then you actually improve and have 70% equity.

It's only if you think that the villain has either 55 or 66 do you not get the money to call.  I think that is way to tight a range for .25/.50.

When I added in a bunch of suited connectors suited 2 gappers and suited Ks, you still have around 65% equity.

I think you have to call and not like it very much.

12:35 pm
April 30, 2007


jamleeco

Member

posts 97

I think I would lead out with 1/2 pot or slightly more bet. If it checks around to late position (relative to you ) and he bets , if you check-raiise hand could be over. With top 2 I want some money in the pot.

I bet out thinking anyone who has anything will call (at least ) getting 3-1 on flop. And if there is a caller soon it will encourage more callers with weak hands because they will be getting better odds. And if a raise gets thrown in now you are set with an all-in with a nice sized pot. I would not want to smooth call  (if raised )because a scary turn card could kill the action. I'm looking to get all my money in on the flop if possible. If you get beat you get beat. Top 2 is a strong holding with that board. Possible straight draw, flush draw, tptk out against you, you don't need to check to initiate action, anyone with a piece is coming and possibly raising.

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