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A Professionals Mythbuster - Tilt and Reading Someone

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8:00 pm
May 13, 2007


thatjimguy

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I was just wondering if pros really can go on tilt or is that just "good tv" when we see guys like Hellmuth blow up during a hand? Anymore, we all can tell that many "reality" programs encourage thier "actors" to liven things up for the sake of the show. Do pros tilt differently? Instead of blowing up do they just simmer? How about you Ed? How do you handle tilt?

How about guys like Mike Caro that talk about being able to read someone just based on how they dress or act. I figure that these could be true in low limit, where players are more touristy. But what about higher limit poker? Can you throw these kinds of tells out the window?

As far as talking to other players, do guys like David Negraneu really get a lot of information off of what you say and how you say it?

As far as "Off the table" reads go, what have you ever noticed when you are playing Ed? What have been the more common and realible ones you have come across?

Thanks

thatjimguy 

  

5:51 pm
May 15, 2007


JJS

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posts 47

thatjimguy said:

Do pros tilt differently? Instead of blowing up do they just simmer? How about you Ed? How do you handle tilt? 


Well jimguy I can't answer your questions, but you reminded me of an exchange that took place between AJ Benza and Gabe Kaplan on High Stakes Poker:

 AJ: So Gabe, what puts you on tilt?

G: Now what kind of silly stupid question is that, huh?  What do you mean by asking me that!  Do I embarass you by asking you these questions on national TV?  I don't have to take this, I'm outta here… <starts walking offstage>

AJ: Aw, hey, Gabe, come on…

G: F— you!

Laughing

6:39 pm
May 15, 2007


Pawel

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posts 116

12+10 is 22 Laughing

I think they're just humansSmile

This post reminds me of Kurt Cobain quarelling with Axel Rose and this famous 'Hi Axel! Hi Axel! Where's Axel?' from stage on MTV show.

They're also poker STARS, even if they don't especially like it. 

8:20 pm
May 15, 2007


Ed Miller

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posts 162

Hey,

Sorry I've been away for a bit. I was out of town with no Internet. :)

This is a cool question. I'll probably use it for a Q&A. 

10:43 pm
May 15, 2007


thatjimguy

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posts 80

Cool! I knew I was good for something.

Funny thing is, a kinda hit tilt after I made this post!

Was playing today at a table of real good loosies at a .50/$1.00, but I was just not hitting anything. I got drawn out a time or two, came back, then got drawn out again. That's when it hit.

The funny thing is, I was convinced I just made terrbile decicions all day. I did, but only after I was on tilt. I raised to try to "make something happen", made a few loose calls hoping to get lucky, didn't fold a hand that i was terribly behind in on the flop and took it to the river. Those cost me 12 bb today.

But I was down 50bb for the day! Where did the rest of it go? Where were the other bad decisions I made from eariler?

I opened up Poker Tracker and tried to figure it out. I filtered all my hands to "went to showdown". I was actually ahead 12bb there!

I then noticed that I didn't really get involved in many hands at all. Not surprising since I'm tight pre-flop, but surprising that in out of the 378 hands I played today, only 28 of them I took to a showdown!

With 378 hands, thats almost 80 BB and SB plays. I looked at my blinds play and out of those, only half of those seen the flop, only 5 of those went to a showdown.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, sometimes, the cards don't come. I didn't get a lot of play and opportunities. Since the opportunties were smaller, it seemed worse when I lost a few times in a row. It affected the way I played later.

Nothing was going to stop me from losing 38bb today. But that was normal bad day. I've had them before. It's the 12bb I lost when I lost my head that hurts me in the long run. That 38bb is just the way it goes sometimes and will come back as long a I play right. That 12bb is just gone forever.


7:12 am
May 16, 2007


Todd

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posts 423

There's an episode of Live at the Bike where Barry Greenstein is commenting.  Yosh Nakano goes off for a buy-in or two in a couple of big hands.  Barry picks up on it immediately and says something like "Yosh is stuck and steaming, I'd be playing a lot of hands against him right now."  We get to see his hole cards and it is really, really obvious how badly he's steaming.  Yosh is apparently a pretty good big-limit player.  These guys steam.  Really educational episode to watch.

Not to be shilling for the bike, but Live at the Bike archives are $10 a month while they've suspended live content.  There's a 400-800 limit hold 'em episode that Greestein commentates where Tuan Lee and (I think) David Oppenheim show up. It may be the episode where Mimi Tran might show up as well.  That's probably worth $10 alone to you limit guys.


http://www.pokernetcast.com/archives/viewer/?archive_id=114&nbsp;


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