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5:34 am
November 19, 2007


Baggie Boy

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Playing at the $100 buy in, online, I tend to vary my buy in from 50BB to the max. When playing with a 50BB stack there appears a large number of players who are willing to commit 50BB of their 100BB stacks with weaker 1 pair hands and draws, but are unwilling to commit the same amount of BB versus an equal stack size. In other words they may fold a given hand long before you reach the 50BB mark, when there is 100BB+ behind, yet commit when 50BB is the effective stack size.

 Obviously it is not always a case of bet/bet in these situations and there is room for a certain amount of creativity to achieve the all-in but the ease with which these hands can be played for more profit with the shorter stack leads me to this question:

Can a 50BB stack be as profitable as a 100BB stack given the right circumstances? Obviously larger hands cannot be paid off as handsomely and bluffing leverage is cut proportionately with your stack size but is this compensated for by the willingness of players to commit against your stronger one pair hands?

7:43 pm
November 19, 2007


karbyn

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Absolutely.  Ed’s posts here ( see Short Stack Strategy on the right … ) nail the way to make it profitable. 
 
I can’t imagine you couldn’t make money playing against opponents who want to continually get it in for 50 BB against a SS !!
 
You basically don’t get involved unless you are ready to go all in.  But that is just the basic rule.

4:53 am
November 20, 2007


Baggie Boy

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Karbyn

I was thinking whether 50BB stacks can be as  profitable as 100BB stacks given the right circumstances. Short stacking is usually a strategic move making decisions easier, useful for new players and when you may feel unsure of your ability at a given table. But, can shorter stacks (50BB+ specifically) be, not just profitbale, but as profitbale as the larger stacks if the circumstances are right?

7:06 pm
November 20, 2007


karbyn

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I find it is easier to win 50 BB from a 50 BB stack, as opposed to winning 50 BB from a 100 BB stack. I guess other people are more willing to gamble with you.

Me, I am much more wary of playing against the short stack. I have seen people enter with AK for their last 20 BB ( as the first to raise or even first in the pot ) b/c "it is time to go" … I am not sure what the thinking is, but they actually get called !!

Where I get stuck is either cashing out or adjusting my play after doublinig up. Something for me to work on.

 

5:37 am
November 21, 2007


Baggie Boy

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Karbyn

 You said you find it easier to make 50BB with a 50BB stack than with a 100BB stack and that is also my experience. I play regularly with 100BB stacks, either from the buy in or after doubling up 50BB, and it always seems, challenging and enjoyable, but much harder work. Whether this is because I don’t play a larger stack as well as I could or because it is easier to make money with a smaller stack at the levels I play at I am not sure. Basically, there seems less scope to use the advantages that a larger stack gives the better player than there does to get all in against weaker hands with the smaller stack.

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