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3 handed with 40% of chips in play, how should I play this?

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12:57 pm
June 13, 2008


Natcheztoo

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posts 88

Last night…

 

Finally there were three players left; I had 24,000 chips, Al had 26,000 chips, and Jimmy Ray Smith had the rest – approximately 10,000.  I was sure I was going to come in at least second, but I intended to win.  I think I am better than they are.  Especially short handed.

 

I was dealt A-10 and was first to act.  Three handed this is a huge hand, so I announced, “I’m all-in.”  Al called immediately.  He must have woke up with a hand.  Jimmy Ray folded.  At this stage of the game and among these players he could be calling with a wide range of hands: A-A K-K, Q-Q, J-J, 10-10 on down to about 5-5 and A-Ks, A-Ko, A-Qs on down to about Q-J.  I have seen some call with worse than that!  The only real calling hands in this situation, with the game on the line, should be A-A, K-K, Q-Q and perhaps A-Ks through A-Qs.  Against any pair except A-A or 10-10 it would have been a race with approximately 52% for the pair to 48% for my A-10.  Against anything else I’d hardly have been worse than 60% - 40% or 3-2.

   

So, I didn’t think it was the end of the world. 

 

Then Al turned over A-A.  How many good hands can a person have after having come to the final table with about 2,000 in chips? 

 

Of course, I lost.  And I have given the hand a lot of thought.  I only broke one rule of poker that I can think of: Don’t get in a fight with the chip leader of the tournament because it can cost you all of your chips.  But, on reflection, I really think I had to lose an awful lot of chips here, but was probably destined to get busted.  I belive most pros on TV would have been busted here.

 

I am still thinking about the hand.  I think the only realistic way I could have gotten away from the hand was if I had limped and Al had limped behind me trying to trap.  Then, if I missed the flop – like I did in the game – and he made a pretty good bet of ¾ of the pot to a pot sized bet, assuming he was first to act, then perhaps I would have viewed the hand like having an A-K and missing the flop.  If you miss with A-K or the A-10 below, then all you have are two high cards.  In this situation I would have been able to get away from the hand.

 

What is the correct take on this hand?

 

Natcheztoo

1:25 pm
June 13, 2008


Greyzy

Member

posts 64

Natchez,


you missed to give us one more info: how big was the pot (blinds+ante)???


I am certainly not good at shorthanded tourney play, but my guess is that your play is OK once the pot is big enough in relation to the remaining stacks. If the pot is small, then I think you risk too much by going all-in in (risk-reward-relation).


Now the question remains what pot size is “big enough” or “too small”? I'll leave that for the experts to answer! Wink


Greyzy

10:21 pm
June 13, 2008


Natcheztoo

Member

posts 88

Greyzy,

The blinds were 900 and 1800, and I was the big blind.  I open raised all-in.  Gulp.

Natcheztoo

6:50 pm
June 16, 2008


HungryJ0e

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posts 72

That he has you “covered” isn't too relevant… you can cripple him as easily as he covers you.


Another big item missing here is the payout structure.  If you were on the bubble this is a big mistake, with a relatively flat payout structure not as much.


Also you couldn't have been in the big blind and also been first to act here… are you sure you weren't on the button?


The big mistake here was falling in love with A-10.  With an M hovering around 10, you are
pushing all in with a hand that is likely to be called in a situation where you are a big dog (even the very very loose calling range you outline has you with only 40% equity).  I wouldn't be open raising all in with this until the blinds start to approach 2500/5000 or I thought I was by far the worst postflop player.


You are going to lose some money here, that's for sure, and possibly all of it depending on the flop, but you don't need to be losing it all preflop here.


- HJ

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