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Winning In Live No-Limit Games

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Most live $1-$2, $1-$3, and $2-$5 players focus on the big pots. They want to see flops, hit hands, and stack opponents holding second-best hands. This focus, unfortunately, does not promote long-term, consistent winning. The problem with it is obvious once you think about it. Everyone else is trying to do the same thing! For every time you win a big pot with a better kicker or a bigger flush, you’re likely to lose one to an opponent who has you pipped. Over time you’re taking two steps forward, two steps back, and not really getting anywhere.

The key to winning in live no-limit games is to focus on using position to build and steal medium-sized pots. Now before I get the “This won’t work in my game,” emails, know that I’m not talking about every live no-limit game on the planet. I’m not talking about your Thursday night game in the back of Jimmy’s bar in Billings, Montana where all seven of you put your $40 in blind every hand and see who wins. Obviously you’re not building or stealing any pots in that game. I am talking about many live games spread in card rooms across the United States from California and Nevada to Mississippi and Atlantic City.

With the disclaimer out of the way, here is a key observation about many live games: They are loose preflop. In a $2-$5 game, for instance, four or five players will gladly pay $25 to see a flop. And often one player will pay $50 or $60 without needing a particularly strong hand to do it. Here is another key observation: Most pots don’t go to showdown. Players are generally willing to give up on a pot in the face of strong betting unless they have an extraordinarily strong hand.

In other words, players are building nice-sized pots with weak hands, and then giving up on these pots because their hands are weak. This presents a terrific opportunity. You build the pot with a preflop raise, and then you steal it after the flop as long as no one hits the board too hard. Sometimes someone will hit the flop hard and you’ll lose a couple of bluff bets. But you can also hit a flop hard and be the one winning a big pot. In between big lossess and wins, you’ll be slurping up a steady diet of medium-sized pots that no one else is willing to fight for.

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8 Responses to “Winning In Live No-Limit Games”

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[...] Winning in Live No-Limit Games Ed talks about similar situations in live games, where the play is often not unlike the micro [...]

SBruno
@ Fri Apr 09, 2010 02:57:49 AM
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I guess we will have to try this play sometimes from other positions. The optimal situation (having the button + top third of hands + no raise + one or two limpers) covers probably no more than 1 percent of all deals.

What adjustments do you suggest for the other late positions, namely one or two off the button?

And if the opener opens with a small raise?

John W (SandMan @ Poker Academy)
@ Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:44:47 AM
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Ed, I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for this generous giving of your time and expertise. Poker is such a predatory game and I appreciate a fellow predator who’s willing to speak candidly about the hunt. Your observations and advice have made a significant impact on my poker game.

Risk Oriented
@ Sat Apr 10, 2010 08:42:46 AM
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To me, it seems like you’re asking us to play loose and aggressive in games where our opponents play loose. Not to mention, in games where the rake is like 10% of the pot.

Ed Miller
@ Sat Apr 10, 2010 09:16:12 AM
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I absolutely wouldn’t characterize the style I write about as loose-aggressive. You’re making a ton of out of position folds. This article describes a very specific situation where I think somewhat looser play works well.

Also I wouldn’t worry too much about the rake. Most live games are solidly beatable after the rake. It’s not insignificant, but you shouldn’t let rake consideration dominate your strategic thinking.

Sbruno,

The key point is that you end up in position against one or two opponents postflop. Obv you can accomplish this by raising from off the button sometimes. But the further off the button you go, the greater the chance an opp will wake up with a big hand and also in general the less predictable the outcome.

But ya I do this sometimes from off the button. Also if someone has raised already you can reraise to isolate sometimes for sure. Just requires a good nose for the situation. You want to be able to predict the action behind you with good accuracy.

Carmen
@ Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:50:12 AM
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I disagree with you on this article. Your other articles are always right on, but not this one. I’m a very good TAG player and I can’t win at low NL games. I pay attention to position, study people well and I just run real bad — even when I hit the board hard. I play at Commerce in L.A. and the NL games there are treacherous!! Maybe it’s cuz I’m usually the only girl at the table — I don’t know. I don’t have a lot of $ – I’m giving up poker. I’ve read books, your articles. I’m just completely discouraged. I hate AK. I do a little better online.

Jemy
@ Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:55:23 AM
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Excellent article Ed, keep it up ! Hopefully not too many live fish read it ^_^

Carmen, nice level . :-)

Jacob P
@ Tue Apr 13, 2010 03:54:56 AM
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Very interesting article Ed, I enjoyed reading it very much. Would you recommend this strategy also for early to middle stages of a SNG? And another question, why do you distinguish live players? Don’t you think that players who see a lot of flops, hit hands, and stack opponents holding second-best hands are mostly a factor or the micro to low buy-in?

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