Value Betting The River

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The river really separates the pros from the amateurs. I don’t mean that pros tremble in fear of the river card while amateurs gleefully plan their latest bad beat. Quite the opposite, the river is probably the betting round where pro players generate the greatest edge over their amateur adversaries.

Amateur players tend not to bet enough hands for value on the river, and that error cripples them in two ways. First, they don’t win big enough pots with their good hands. The river bet is often the biggest bet of the hand, and when amateur players check down hands they should be betting, they win medium pots when they should be winning huge pots.

Second, amateurs can’t bluff as effectively when they don’t value bet to balance their strategy. If I know a player likes to check down good hands like top pair or a medium-sized two pair, I use that knowledge against them when they do bet. I know their range is very polarized – either they have a real monster or they’re bluffing. They don’t have anything in the middle because they check those hands down. This knowledge presents me with some slam dunk opportunities to snap off bluffs. If I know that in a certain situation someone would bet only a full house or nothing, when they bet they’ll usually be bluffing. After all, it’s a lot easier to have nothing than it is to have a boat.

Betting From Out Of Position

Many players get very timid on the river. If they have a hand like a decent pair, they’ll check and just hope the hand gets checked down. Imagine if you were a boxer and your strategy for the last few rounds was just to cower in the corner and hope you didn’t get punched. You’d get picked apart. You might make it through some fights, but in others your opponent would seize the opportunity, find the right punch, and knock you out.

Checking the river too often will get you picked apart also. Sometimes your opponent will check and you’ll get to see a showdown. You might even win some pots. But other times your opponent will bet, and the bet will be on his terms, to his advantage. You’ll get bluffed off the best hand. Or you’ll pay off better hands. Over time this passive strategy gives your opponents too much leeway, and you’ll pay for it.

You have to keep punching on the river. Sometimes you’ll get knocked out anyway, but sometimes you’ll land a good punch yourself. An active strategy makes you a much tougher target.

Making Blocking Bets

Making blocking bets is one way you can stay more active from out of position. Blocking bets are small bets, usually around a quarter to half the size of the pot. If the pot on the river is $100, for instance, you might bet out for $30 or $35. Blocking bets do two things for you: they help you get paid by worse hands, and they set the price of a showdown.

Say you have A-9 on a J-9-5-4-8 board and check the river. Your opponent might check behind with hands weaker than yours and bet $70 with better hands and some bluffs so you feel compelled to call. This strategy wins you nothing when you’re ahead and loses you a good bit when behind.

Now say you bet out for $35. Your opponent calls with both weaker and stronger hands. You’re winning something from worse hands and not losing as much to the better hands. By “setting the price” of a showdown at $35, you take away much of your opponent’s positional advantage.

Blocking bets are an effective tool, but they do have some downsides. If you make blocking bets only when you want to see a cheap showdown, you give good players too much information about your hand, and they can use it against you. Also, if your hand is really fairly hopeless, sometimes just checking and folding is better than trying a blocking bet.

Betting Scare Cards

Adding blocking bets to your strategy isn’t the only way you can be more active from out of position. You should also bet some scare cards.

Say you flop a set and bet the flop and turn. Your opponent calls both streets. The pot is $400, and you and your opponent both have $200 left in your stacks. The river brings the third heart. You know your opponent could easily have been drawing to the flush. Shove all-in anyway.

The short explanation is that if you check, you let your opponent off the hook with top pair or two pair, but you usually end up paying off the flushes anyway. Whereas if you shove all-in yourself, you pay off the flushes, but you get paid off by the weaker hands. Checking has you winning a little or losing a lot. Shoving has you winning a lot or losing a lot. You’re better off playing the latter strategy.

The stack sizes were key in this example. The pot was $400 and there was only $200 left, so you’d likely be committed with a set no matter what. If there were $1,000 left, then the situation would be considerably trickier, and the best play might depend on your history with your opponent.

Recently I played a hand where I shoved all-in on a scary river card. I opened for $10 in an online $1-$2 game with A-Q from three off the button. A new player who had posted in the cutoff called, as did the big blind. The flop came A-9-3 with two diamonds. I bet $25, and the player in the cutoff called.

The turn was an offsuit A. I bet $70, and the cutoff called. The pot was $221 going into the river, and we each had $95 left.

The river was the 2 :diamond: , completing the possible flush. I shoved for $95 and got called. My opponent had 9-5, and I won a big pot off of my opponent who flopped middle pair and went with it.

Obviously some percentage of the time I could expect my opponent to have the flush. But if I had checked the river, I would have paid off an all-in bet. So I was likely going to lose the maximum to a flush no matter what I did. By shoving all-in, I won an extra $95 from a hand that almost certainly would have taken a free showdown if I had offered it. That’s the benefit of betting aggressively for value.

[This article appeared in the September 24, 2008 issue (Vol. 21, No. 19) of Card Player.]

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8 Responses to “Value Betting The River”

Pim
@ Sat Oct 04, 2008 08:34:26 AM
1

Wow, that player with 9-5 must have been very new to the game!

Ben Attenborough
@ Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:21:12 AM
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@Pim Then again people call down with all sorts of weak hands when they are put under pressure, it can be really quite surprising. I think the philosophy is that if you are going to call an all-in with a good but not nut hand you are better off pushing yourself.

Tony
@ Mon Oct 06, 2008 05:18:34 AM
3

Ed,

I just read you post on value betting the river. While I buy your overall argument, the examples you use at the end to illustrate shoving on a scare card puzzle me. In your last example, you shoved your last $95 into a $221 pot and got called by 9-5? Who calls there? What hand could villain beat? You raised preflop and bet on every street. He is crushed by any ace, 10-10 through KK, any flush and any better 9. I just don’t get it. When you have a atrong made hand like a set and you push on a scare-card, it seems to me that the majority of calls only come from players who hit a mediocre flush. A blocking bet makes sense here, but a shove feels spew-ish. Am I crazy?

Pim
@ Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:29:50 AM
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@Ben. Irony.. it was irony my comment. The point Tony makes is exactly what I mean.

Ben Attenborough
@ Wed Oct 08, 2008 06:59:09 AM
5

Fair enough Pim, no offense meant. Good comment from Tony, although if you make a blocking bet and get raised do you really fold? What sized blocking bet can you make into a $221 pot and then get away from given the huge odds? If you have $100 left and the pot is $200 and you were sure you were ahead on the turn you are probably going to have to call an all in so you are better off shoving since A) when he has a worse hand you might stack him, B) he might fold a better hand C) if hew does have a better hand hes willing to call with he was probably going to shove with it anyway.
I susspose if he rivered two pair and you checked he might check also and you would save $100 but that would be a very small part of his range.

Eric
@ Fri Oct 10, 2008 01:28:51 PM
6

Reading this article has improved my game so much I can’t even believe it.

Dan
@ Thu Oct 23, 2008 02:21:39 PM
7

“The river brings the third heart. You know your opponent could easily have been drawing to the flush. Shove all-in anyway.”

Maybe I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but I personally think check-calling in this spot when you are OOP can be more profitable against players you know to be aggressive.

I think the third heart really cuts down on the worse hands that will call you. In addition, no better hands are folding.

So by check-calling, you give your aggressive opponent the chance to bluff some of the hands that are folding to a bet. And since the board is scary, the majority of the second-best hands that get away by checking behind would have folded to a bet anyway. In addition, the villain might only bet 1/2 the remaining stacks with hands that beat you, allowing you to get to a cheaper showdown than when you shoved into a made flush.

PokerFan
@ Thu Oct 30, 2008 06:50:40 AM
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Dan, to say no better hands are folding is wrong. For instance some people (but obviously not all) with AK here would fold. Thus you would be making money with a push all in. Likewise anybody with two pair or with a pocket pair who hits a set, but is willing to fold to a flush, you are also making money off that you wouldn’t have otherwise.

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