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The longer I’ve played poker, the more I’ve become convinced that a single concept is truly at the core of nearly all successful strategies. It’s a concept that is as important playing no-limit hold’em as it is at limit stud eight-or-better. This central concept is extracting thin value.

It’s a simple idea. On the final betting round you have an okay hand. It’s the sort of ho-hum hand you get a dozen or more times in a session. But given the way this particular pot has played out, you think it’s likely better than whatever your opponent has. You bet the hand, your opponent calls, and you win.

Even though the idea is simple, the gap between players who consistently find thin value and those who don’t is massive. Finding thin value doesn’t just mean making a few extra bucks with your so-so hands. It also means being able to bluff more frequently and more profitably. It also means making your bets on earlier streets carry more leverage. Players who consistently find thin value will find that nearly every action they take in a hand beginning with their decision to enter the pot is more profitable.

How can this one little aspect of the game be so important? Let’s look at an example in no-limit hold’em.

It’s a $2-$5 game with $500 stacks. You open for $20 from three off the button with A :diamond: T :diamond: . The button calls, and so does the big blind.

The flop comes T :club: 8 :club: 6 :diamond: . The big blind checks, you bet $50 into the $62 pot, the button folds, and the big blind calls.

The turn is the 2 :diamond: . The big blind checks, you bet $120 into the $162 pot, and he calls.

The river is the K :spade: . The big blind checks, and you bet $180 into the $402 pot.

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6 Responses to “Thin Value”

Carmen Moore
@ Sun Jan 31, 2010 07:23:12 PM
1

Ed, this is an area where I need to improve and this article will help me in my river play. Thanks for giving us so many terrific poker tips!!

Mark
@ Wed Feb 03, 2010 08:12:48 AM
2

This really is a great article.

I’ve been noticing that I check too many rivers without a doubt. I kick myself when I fail to bet river for thin value to pick off the low pair bluff catchers.

I just happened to buy 2 of your books this morning: Small Stakes (2003) and Professional NL vol. 1, (2007). After reading this article and taking a look at this great site, I think I’ll return them though…lol..j/k..can’t wait ’til they arrive.

Thanks for sharing your poker knowledge and skillz.

Chris
@ Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:58:47 PM
3

I’m probably missing something here. But how can winning one out of fourth of your bluff catcher calls be profitable? You loose 3 and you win 1. What am I missing?

Ed Miller
@ Tue Feb 16, 2010 08:17:08 AM
4

Chris,

It’s profitable because you’re risking $180 to win $582. So you can be wrong more often than you’re right and still be ahead in the end.

Chris
@ Wed Feb 17, 2010 03:20:38 PM
5

Know I’m beating a dead horse here but hear me out. Your committing Money 3 times and losing an amount of 290 each time(being that this is 580 pot). The 4th time you call and win the 580 pot(only 290 of which will be the other persons money). So your losing money here. I understand the 180 to win 580, but thatseems to only be taking into account the final bet.

Ed Miller
@ Wed Feb 17, 2010 03:39:22 PM
6

Chris,

You’re not wrong, but compare two numbers for me. Compare how much you lose on average when you call the river to how much you lose on average when you fold the river.

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