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		<title>By: karbyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>karbyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as long as its *Manson&#039;s* leg we&#039;re pissing on, Ed can have as much money as I can afford to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as its *Manson&#8217;s* leg we&#8217;re pissing on, Ed can have as much money as I can afford to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t want to write this as I use the same programmer as Ed does and he has MADE ME MILLIONS, but it&#039;s time to reveal something to you all. Ed has a legion of POKER BOTS, some the size of trees, playing $1/$2 TWENTY FOUR/SEVEN, systematically exploiting the strategies he proposes on NPA. He then launders allthe money through his OTHER INTERESTS to pay for Mason Malmuth&#039;s drug habit. Sorry to disappoint you everyone, but you are effectively p*ssing your money down MM&#039;s inside leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t want to write this as I use the same programmer as Ed does and he has MADE ME MILLIONS, but it&#8217;s time to reveal something to you all. Ed has a legion of POKER BOTS, some the size of trees, playing $1/$2 TWENTY FOUR/SEVEN, systematically exploiting the strategies he proposes on NPA. He then launders allthe money through his OTHER INTERESTS to pay for Mason Malmuth&#8217;s drug habit. Sorry to disappoint you everyone, but you are effectively p*ssing your money down MM&#8217;s inside leg.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vito augello</title>
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		<dc:creator>vito augello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think alot of you guys are missing an important point. We&#039;re dealing with $1-$2 no-limit here and basicially everyone has a short stack. I&#039;ve never seen a game where someone has $3000 in front of him. Maybe $1200-$1500 if he&#039;s been running good for a long time? Plus, unless I have the nuts I would never risk $1000 on a hand, especially on some type of draw. Plus, the betting probably would never get that far. I&#039;ve won $800 on a hand only because of mulitple all-ins in a crazy game. At this point I&#039;d never risk that much. But, I&#039;m alot more conservative than most of the posters on here. I prefer small ball poker where I can control the size of the bets. Maybe I&#039;m wrong but when I have only top pair top kicker, I only put in a feeler bet then back off, when resistance is met. If a guy goes all-in or a major bet, I&#039;ll usually fold, not wanting to risk a draw out. With big hands, sets or a made hand, THEN I&#039;ll push.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think alot of you guys are missing an important point. We&#8217;re dealing with $1-$2 no-limit here and basicially everyone has a short stack. I&#8217;ve never seen a game where someone has $3000 in front of him. Maybe $1200-$1500 if he&#8217;s been running good for a long time? Plus, unless I have the nuts I would never risk $1000 on a hand, especially on some type of draw. Plus, the betting probably would never get that far. I&#8217;ve won $800 on a hand only because of mulitple all-ins in a crazy game. At this point I&#8217;d never risk that much. But, I&#8217;m alot more conservative than most of the posters on here. I prefer small ball poker where I can control the size of the bets. Maybe I&#8217;m wrong but when I have only top pair top kicker, I only put in a feeler bet then back off, when resistance is met. If a guy goes all-in or a major bet, I&#8217;ll usually fold, not wanting to risk a draw out. With big hands, sets or a made hand, THEN I&#8217;ll push.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumdum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumdum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said before, playing short stack is ok IF you win one or more of the EARLY big hands. If you don&#039;t you can only win YOUR money back, not his. Your theory focuses only on the positive, ignoring the odds and the negative possibility. Also, if you are operating on a theory which REQUIRES that you win your early attempts; wouldn&#039;t you want those early attempts to make you 10 times more money? There are just to many more options with the big stack that short stacks are excluded from...how deep can you play suited connectors? bottom 2 pair? flush/strait draws? short stack must commit early big stack can afford to draw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before, playing short stack is ok IF you win one or more of the EARLY big hands. If you don&#8217;t you can only win YOUR money back, not his. Your theory focuses only on the positive, ignoring the odds and the negative possibility. Also, if you are operating on a theory which REQUIRES that you win your early attempts; wouldn&#8217;t you want those early attempts to make you 10 times more money? There are just to many more options with the big stack that short stacks are excluded from&#8230;how deep can you play suited connectors? bottom 2 pair? flush/strait draws? short stack must commit early big stack can afford to draw.</p>
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		<title>By: toddnic</title>
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		<dc:creator>toddnic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

I read the 2nd part to this article.  You have done a good job of explaining some unique situations where it can be an advantage to have a short stack.

You said the flaw in my argument is that I&#039;m considering only the bad things about being the short stack.  Well, let&#039;s consider both sides.

In the situations you have outlined, you win a little because of your status as short stack.  In the situations where you can&#039;t put enough into the pot to control the odds (which is much more common than the situations you talk about) you&#039;re putting yourself in a losing situation.  In the situation where you win $300 instead of $3000, that&#039;s an astronomical loss.

Having the large stack DOES give you an advantage.  You can control the pot odds.  If you&#039;re a better player than your opponents, their mistakes make you significantly greater profits.  If you&#039;re not a better player, you lose your short stack anyway, rebuy, lose your short stack again, and go home with empty pockets.

Having a short stack or mixed stacks at the table does change the math.  In unique situations it is an advantage to be the short stack.  Whether you consider it an advantage or not, a good player will control the odds and make more money with his big stack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>I read the 2nd part to this article.  You have done a good job of explaining some unique situations where it can be an advantage to have a short stack.</p>
<p>You said the flaw in my argument is that I&#8217;m considering only the bad things about being the short stack.  Well, let&#8217;s consider both sides.</p>
<p>In the situations you have outlined, you win a little because of your status as short stack.  In the situations where you can&#8217;t put enough into the pot to control the odds (which is much more common than the situations you talk about) you&#8217;re putting yourself in a losing situation.  In the situation where you win $300 instead of $3000, that&#8217;s an astronomical loss.</p>
<p>Having the large stack DOES give you an advantage.  You can control the pot odds.  If you&#8217;re a better player than your opponents, their mistakes make you significantly greater profits.  If you&#8217;re not a better player, you lose your short stack anyway, rebuy, lose your short stack again, and go home with empty pockets.</p>
<p>Having a short stack or mixed stacks at the table does change the math.  In unique situations it is an advantage to be the short stack.  Whether you consider it an advantage or not, a good player will control the odds and make more money with his big stack.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rumdum and toddnic,

The flaw in both of your arguments is that you&#039;re considering only all the bad things that happen when you&#039;d wished you&#039;d had a big stack and instead you have a small one. Your opponents get to draw in situations you could push them out. You don&#039;t get value for your big hands, etc.

But each of those situations will also get turned around on you eventually. You&#039;ll get to draw to hands you&#039;d have to fold if you had more money. You&#039;ll save your stack sometimes by not losing a huge set-over-set, etc.

In fact, that&#039;s the entire point of the article. If you&#039;re playing with a short stack then, de facto, so are your opponents. They can&#039;t possibly have an advantage over you because you&#039;re both playing with the same amount of money. Sure, the fact that the stacks are short changes the math of things and makes some hands profitable that otherwise wouldn&#039;t be (and makes other hands unprofitable that otherwise would be). But it doesn&#039;t give anyone the ADVANTAGE. It just changes the way the game plays.

Now you might be a better player with a deep stack than you are with a short stack, so you might make more money over time by playing deep. That may well be true, but it&#039;s not what the article is about.

To understand the point of the article... assume you have a $1,000 stack. On this hand it&#039;s irrelevant whether your opponent has $1,000 or $10,000 on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rumdum and toddnic,</p>
<p>The flaw in both of your arguments is that you&#8217;re considering only all the bad things that happen when you&#8217;d wished you&#8217;d had a big stack and instead you have a small one. Your opponents get to draw in situations you could push them out. You don&#8217;t get value for your big hands, etc.</p>
<p>But each of those situations will also get turned around on you eventually. You&#8217;ll get to draw to hands you&#8217;d have to fold if you had more money. You&#8217;ll save your stack sometimes by not losing a huge set-over-set, etc.</p>
<p>In fact, that&#8217;s the entire point of the article. If you&#8217;re playing with a short stack then, de facto, so are your opponents. They can&#8217;t possibly have an advantage over you because you&#8217;re both playing with the same amount of money. Sure, the fact that the stacks are short changes the math of things and makes some hands profitable that otherwise wouldn&#8217;t be (and makes other hands unprofitable that otherwise would be). But it doesn&#8217;t give anyone the ADVANTAGE. It just changes the way the game plays.</p>
<p>Now you might be a better player with a deep stack than you are with a short stack, so you might make more money over time by playing deep. That may well be true, but it&#8217;s not what the article is about.</p>
<p>To understand the point of the article&#8230; assume you have a $1,000 stack. On this hand it&#8217;s irrelevant whether your opponent has $1,000 or $10,000 on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: rumdum</title>
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		<dc:creator>rumdum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toddnic.....email me at evoalien@yahoo.com with the gist of the article please ; I probably won&#039;t get it from the mag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toddnic&#8230;..email me at <a href="mailto:evoalien@yahoo.com">evoalien@yahoo.com</a> with the gist of the article please ; I probably won&#8217;t get it from the mag.</p>
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		<title>By: rumdum</title>
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		<dc:creator>rumdum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toddnic, I am also waiting, we may be in for some incredibly enlightening information which will greatly improve our games. (can&#039;t wait for the profit to start rolling at 10% less than possible). There are good stratagies for OVERCOMING the advantage of a big stack in some instances, but generally big stack wins. Good point about the money in your pocket not being useful; how many times I&#039;ve been short stacked and gone all in hitting a monster like quads only to put a minor dent in the big stack.( wish I had more money then). My problem is that I usually don&#039;t have the reserve money.(2700) It&#039;s nice to double up your 300 to 600, but I&#039;ll always prefer to double up 3000 to 6000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toddnic, I am also waiting, we may be in for some incredibly enlightening information which will greatly improve our games. (can&#8217;t wait for the profit to start rolling at 10% less than possible). There are good stratagies for OVERCOMING the advantage of a big stack in some instances, but generally big stack wins. Good point about the money in your pocket not being useful; how many times I&#8217;ve been short stacked and gone all in hitting a monster like quads only to put a minor dent in the big stack.( wish I had more money then). My problem is that I usually don&#8217;t have the reserve money.(2700) It&#8217;s nice to double up your 300 to 600, but I&#8217;ll always prefer to double up 3000 to 6000.</p>
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		<title>By: toddnic</title>
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		<dc:creator>toddnic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is right in that if someone doesn&#039;t want to be bullied they can&#039;t be.  However, you never want to play short stacked - it&#039;s a huge disadvantage.  Most good no-limit players including book writing pros will tell you this.  You get much in the pot pre-flop and you&#039;re left without the chips to take the correct odds away from your big-stacked opponent on a draw.  This makes it correct for him to call in more situations.  The money is not harmlessly in your pocket - it&#039;s hurting you by not being able to help.  When you do get a big hand, you win 300 instead of 3000.  If you miss this opportunity once during the session and cost yourself even 1000 that&#039;s possibly, if not likely the difference between a winning session and a losing one.  I&#039;m looking forward to the followup article that tells me how I&#039;m going to overcome all of this and rumdum&#039;s points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is right in that if someone doesn&#8217;t want to be bullied they can&#8217;t be.  However, you never want to play short stacked &#8211; it&#8217;s a huge disadvantage.  Most good no-limit players including book writing pros will tell you this.  You get much in the pot pre-flop and you&#8217;re left without the chips to take the correct odds away from your big-stacked opponent on a draw.  This makes it correct for him to call in more situations.  The money is not harmlessly in your pocket &#8211; it&#8217;s hurting you by not being able to help.  When you do get a big hand, you win 300 instead of 3000.  If you miss this opportunity once during the session and cost yourself even 1000 that&#8217;s possibly, if not likely the difference between a winning session and a losing one.  I&#8217;m looking forward to the followup article that tells me how I&#8217;m going to overcome all of this and rumdum&#8217;s points.</p>
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