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Have you heard someone say that they’re raising in order to sweeten the pot? Do you think they’re nuts? Or is there method to their madness?

Recently a reader asked me whether his skepticism about pot-sweetening raises was justified, or if he was missing out on a valuable weapon for his arsenal.

Every once in a while I hear someone saying that he raised preflop with drawing hands like A-T suited to sweeten the pot. Personally I think that this is wrong, but I’d like to learn more about it and adjust in case I am mistaken.

I’ll give you my reasons not to raise, and I am hoping to hear good arguments why, when, and how raising makes sense:

[M]y definition of “sweetening the pot” is this: a [preflop] raise with the intention of getting several callers in order to build a medium to big pot preflop. This excludes steals! Usually there will be limpers already and the raise will be between 1BB to 4BB (added to the 1BB you would need to just call). I am also talking about drawing hands only!

In general any raise that is intended to get called (value raise) should have a positive expectation, meaning that my chance of winning are greater than my relative share of the money that I put in. Therefore the only drawing hands that I think where a raise makes sense are suited connectors, because you may hit a flush or a straight.

So does sweetening the pot make sense, or is it a bunch of hocus pocus?

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8 Responses to “Sweetening The Pot In No-Limit”

Seth
@ Fri Apr 10, 2009 06:44:39 AM
1

How many times has someone open-limped UTG, you call with pocket 8s from the cutoff, and the button puts in a pot-sweetener, only to allow UTG to come over the top forcing everyone to fold pre-flop. If I’m out of the hand I don’t mind chortling quietly to myself, but if I’m the cutoff, how do I convince the button not to raise there?

C-Rex
@ Fri Apr 10, 2009 08:25:19 AM
2

Menacing glare?
Collusion?

I don’t know how you’re supposed to influence him to do anything!

Unless maybe you check-raise sometimes…

Greg
@ Fri Apr 10, 2009 09:22:32 AM
3

The thing that I am still confused about here is why we would want to build a pot with a drawing hand with a pot sweetener or smallish pocket pair. I though that implied odds is about extracting post flop to make up for a preflop disadvantage in equity. To do this I thought we try to keep the pot small with speculative hand preflop then extract when we hit hard. Sweetening the pot seems to be reducing the SPR and reducing our implied odds.

+EV

Ed Miller
@ Fri Apr 10, 2009 09:46:49 AM
4

Seth,

That’s definitely a pitfall of pot-sweetening, and you have to be circumspect. Pay attention to the UTG player and use pot-sweeteners less when he likes to limp-reraise.

(You can also play tricks to use the UTG’s limp-reraising against him and/or others in the hand.)

As for getting your opponent not to raise… well I can’t help you there. :)

Ed Miller
@ Fri Apr 10, 2009 09:54:38 AM
5

Greg,

We’re about to flip a coin. I give you two great bet options. I’ll pay you 11-to-1 on heads if you bet $5. Or I’ll pay you 5-to-1 on heads if you bet $25. Which should you take?

EV($5) = (0.50)($55) – (0.50)($5) = $25
EV($25) = (0.50)($125) – (0.50)($25) = $50

The $25 bet is worth twice as much, even though the odds are much worse.

Same thing is going on with pot sweetening. You’re right, often your implied odds are somewhat worse after a raise… but the pot is also much bigger. Often the bigger pot makes the raise worth it.

Also implied odds in limped pots can be deceiving. It’s easy to look at someone’s $500 stack and your $5 limp and think 100-to-1. But in reality it is much harder to stack someone in a limped pot than in a raised one. So your implied odds don’t drop in a raised pot by as much as they might appear to upon cursory reflection.

Samsa
@ Fri Apr 10, 2009 01:43:24 PM
6

How deep do the effective stacks have to be before you will make a pot-sweetening raise usually?

Ed Miller
@ Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:10:44 PM
7

Samsa,

Well, there’s no hard-and-fast stack size where I begin to think about pot sweetening because every player has a different implied odds profile and/or willingness to fold postflop.

But I find that I begin to make sweetening type raises at around the 50BB stack mark. Sometimes these sweeteners are designed to sweeten the pot for me to steal it postflop, however. :)

WebMAx
@ Thu Jun 11, 2009 05:30:01 AM
8

What’s the stack size?

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