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Pocket Aces And Limping In

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As long as I’ve been writing about poker, I have heard two questions asked again and again. First, is pocket aces really the best hand? Or are some other hands better? And second, should you limp into the pot sometimes, or should you always raise? I’d like to put these questions to rest in today’s column.

Someone recently wrote me the following:

The other night I was playing a live game in a casino and another player said he preferred 7-6 suited to pocket aces. He said he had lost thousands with aces but had won loads with 7-6 suited. I countered by suggesting [that] he wasn’t taking notes [so] he couldn’t produce any evidence to prove his assertion.

Another friend of mine insists that “the pros say jack ten is a better hand than aces.” I strongly disagree with him, but he is completely adamant about it. I understand than in really deep-stacked games a player who plays aces really badly (by tipping the strength of his hand preflop and then refusing to release it post flop) could lose money with aces against a good player who has position with J-T. But won’t this bad player also lose with J-T? What do you think?

While I suppose that it’s theoretically possible for someone to play pocket aces so badly that they actually perform better with J-T suited (presumably because they’re far less likely to do something horrendously stupid with J-T suited), in practice I would highly doubt that any such player exists anywhere in the world.

And even if such a player were to exist, they would have to play almost exclusively in extremely deep-stacked live games (500 big blind stacks and deeper) to perform the feat of actually performing worse with pocket aces than with J-T suited.

Anyone who uses tracking software and who has more than a few hundred hands of online no-limit in their database will see that J-T suited is certainly not better than A-A. Indeed, I would be surprised to see any decent-sized sample of hands (say a month’s worth of regular play) where A-A did not place first in winnings. It is by far the most profitable hand.

So my verdict is that my reader’s friends who think suited connectors perform better than pocket aces are misinformed.

But I’ve noticed that live game players often do tend to play aces (in particular) very badly. An obvious way to misplay aces is to hold on to them too long in the face of overwhelming evidence that they’re no good. But I actually don’t see that mistake as often as I see a different one.

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7 Responses to “Pocket Aces And Limping In”

frank
@ Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:50:06 AM
1

this article is old right? i remember reading exactly this maybe 6-9 months ago.

Ed Miller
@ Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:59:20 AM
2

It’s newly published in Card Player, but if I remember right it’s one I edited together from an old blog post, so you probably did read it before. About half my Card Player articles are edited together from old posts from this site…

Sorry for the relative lack of new postings on here recently. I decided to devote that time to getting the book out faster. Editing is pretty time consuming it turns out. :(

frank
@ Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:08:41 PM
3

well no worries, I’m sure we all totally understand.

I’ll be sure to pick up the book too !

MisstressElka
@ Tue Feb 17, 2009 03:41:10 AM
4

Nice article, Ed. It should be said that many online microstakes player play so badly aces. I’ve seen lots of people limping aces with >50BB with no realiable evidence of a raise coming after them.

I can imagine situations where not 3betting aces would be profitable (against a shortstacked in a heads-up spot) but not many reasons to limp/call or limp/reraise pre-flop. These are, in any case, exceptions.

Burning
@ Wed Feb 18, 2009 04:11:07 AM
5

Hi, Ed,

If I do what you’ve suggested in this article, say playing aggressively preflop with AA in the middle position, and the other two players called my raise.

Then on the flop, the early position player bets large. I raise. The late position player re-raises. The earlier position calls. And I also call.

And the turn card does not help me. No A.

Should I slow down or continue to attack if the flop is drawy? e.g. [3s] [4s] [5h]

Should I slow down or continue to attack if the flop is dry? e.g. [3h] [8s] [Jd]

Thanks a lot~

Ed Miller
@ Wed Feb 18, 2009 09:20:41 AM
6

Burning,

It sounds like you’re talking about limit hold’em. If so, I’d keep going with the aces.

If it’s no limit, then your aces are likely in big trouble. If someone bets, you raise, and someone reraises behind you, the reraiser almost always has a huge hand (but possibly can have a huge draw rather than a hand like a set).

Burning
@ Thu Feb 19, 2009 07:50:57 PM
7

Thanks a lot, Ed.

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