I did not say the sites could stop you from pulling winnings off the site, I was making a statement as to why a site would want you to keep your winnings in your online account.

Ask yourself this question: Do the sites profit from online deposits? If the answer to that question is yes, then you can certainly see why a site would profit from juicing decks and keeping the cash circulating through their system, rather than being removed once someones bankroll gets big enough.

As for the big payoffs. The amounts being payed off is relatively small compared to the amounts owned by all the players at the site.

Now I have to agree with you all that there is no proof that any of this is going on. You can’t look at the electronic data and definitively say one way or the other that something is amiss with the games being dealt at one site or another. Since only one entity has access to how the data was generated and controls who gets to see the data, you just don’t know.

What needs to be done is an independent 3rd party be in charge of generating the data and allow the site to simply run the games. If the sites are making all their profits from the games they deal, why not have an active party do all the auditing work live and remove the question of legitimacy?

Businesses use 3rd parties to transact between multiple entities all the time. It allows the transaction to be fair and unbiased. Why should this be any different?

For those who are arguing that you can not pull money off the site, I will not argue that you are bad players (though you most certainly are), but you CAN NOT maintain this argument with a professional. Eric Blade, bless his heart, has stated that he has played professionally for 4 years. I have also played professionally now for 5 years, and I can guarantee you that we have not been paying our bills with our EV graph.

Also, what about players who make large scores in tournaments? Many of them are taking massive amounts of money off the site. How will the sites stop them from doing this?

I haven’t said one word about the Cereus issue, as that doesn’t have anything to do with rigging the deck.

Bad decisions of companies that are no longer in business are pretty much irrelevant to rigging the deck, too. But, on that topic, virtually all of the sites that are still out there have player funds completely seperated from any other things that they are doing. Operational and investment funds are dealt with in entirely seperate accounts. That’s one of the requirements to be licensed in virtually every part of the world that offers licensing for online gaming.

You can continue to argue as much as you want, that it is all unfairly rigged, but there is not one shred of evidence that points to that, and there’s no sane reason why anyone would bother rigging it. You’ll be preaching to a choir of terrible poker players who can’t believe that their losses are because they are terrible players.

Lookup Linx Media Group and Tusk Investment Corp. These are companies that ran sites and lost deposits through poor investment decisions. Players lost their bankrolls and the companies had to liquidate due to insolvency.

Yes Eric, there are large corporations behind these sites and their primary purpose is to be as profitable as possible. Since most of them are unregulated, your deposits are a source of revenue for them and they don’t want you to cash out.

How do poker rooms and casino poker games make money for their owners?

They make money nearly every single hand that is played.

I once sat down and actually figured out the regular numbers, I don’t have the specific ones I figured out anymore, but even smallish poker sites can make 5 figure numbers per month.

The vast majority of games out there are max rake as soon as a flop is seen.

It’s not the site’s problem that you aren’t as good at the game as you think you are.

You cant deny the flop textures online, so unreal, just admit that the only way sites make money is to induce action.

I’m also a card dealer.

Everything you ever see online, also happens offline. Just slower.

I do not feel im an above average driver as i have only been driving 6 months. It is very clear to me that some 1 with more experience is defo a better driver. I see it all the time on the road. Judge gaps better, are faster away from lights etc etc etc etc.

Must be the same with poker though, although when i play online and aa.kk, whatever hand and all the money goes in, i lose.

Maybe you havent experienced what i do every single day. You think im talking about a few hands, think again buddy.

Another thing to note that even if i check hand histories and all seems fine, you cant deny the fact that i only win small pots with aa,kk they dont hit or they outdraw me like always. Comlete joke if u ask me

We have tried to get a number of the sites to consider using our software. Your right, they have not interest in either ensuring an honest game or allowing their patrons to believe they are getting a fair game. Why Have you read about UB and Absolute internal fraudulent activities? Do you know that their membership increased after the scandal was revealed?

So why would the sites want the extra protection for their players when players keep funding their on line accounts? I know from experience, they don’t.