Comments on: How To Rig An Online Game And Not Get Caught

By: lefou

lefou — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 01:15:57 +0000

I would rig a poker site by doing the following, very easy, “tweak”:

simply deal a higher than average number of pre-flop all in confrontations…..

I have noticed, since switching from FullTilt to Eurosport poker that I see far far fewer AA vs KK confrontations. On FT this seemed to be very common occurrence.

This tweak guarantees the site maximum rake + high turnover of deals!

anyway…..just a thought

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:54:54 +0000

I agree with Ed – yes rigging is possible in many ways. Does it go on in reality? Maybe.

One way to find out would be to compare how many winning players run below ‘all-in EV’ compared with losing players or winning players that run above ‘EV’.

Having read posts on popular poker forums it seems that more winning players run below ‘EV’ than above ‘EV’ – this is just anecdotal evidence but with all the players out there now a bigger study could be done.

Personally – may way of dealing with the possibility of rigging is: if I have a bad run of cards I cash out and move to another site – this seems to work in favour of my bankroll!

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By: James

James — Sun, 16 May 2010 10:38:32 +0000

seriously guys, this stuff is audited, checked and signed off by an independent fairness authority:
http://www.ecogra.org/Home.aspx

check out most if not all card rooms will have links to certificates issued by ecogra with regards to fair dealing and shuffling…
if im all in and the other guy only has one out that can help him on the river… guess what… that is possible.

It is also possible to get shafted on the river time and time again, in fact, it is fully possible for you to lose to the river on every hand you showdown (unlikely, but possible)
so how about you stop whining and play the game?

By: Vehe

Vehe — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:15:44 +0000

Yeah, Partypopker is just surreal. I have never seen so many drawy boards, coolers and suck-outs in my life. Never mind their bonuses, whatever they’ll give you they will take the double from you in insane bad beats or coolers.

I remember one year ago playing nl5 at party because I received free $ to play there…as soon as I reached $200 I went almost an entire month without making a dime. It was everyone hitting 2 and 3 outers on me. If I hit a set I was guaranteed to lose to a straight or flush. If I flopped a flush everytime the turn or river would bring another card of the same suit and I would lose to the Ace high flush. If I had big pair like KK or AA and villain had a flush draw on the flop the turn would always complete the flush (I really mean always, 10 times out of 10!!!) And so on and so on. I remember finally telling my friends that as soon as I completed the bonus PartyPoker would never see me again. I then went to UltimateBet and started on a real bad-swing but it was completely different. It was extreme bad luck but I could clearly see it was just variance because there were no patterns like in partypoker. I quickly got out of the bad-swing, made some money and decided to move to Pokerstars because the UB software was a pain in the ass for me.
On Pokerstars I played a hell of a lot of time, got my fair share of bad beats, coolers and what not but everything completely normal, it was just poker. Made a lot of money there and took it out some months ago.

Recently, I got some cool Bonus offer from partyPoker again and since I didn’t remember what I went through on that room I decided to accept it.
Lol, this is no joke, as soon as I hit $200 playing nl5 again everything went insane. The same patterns that i had forgot about were all back. I play 9 tables at a time and sometimes I just sit there and notice the board textures to make sure I’m not imagining things. It’s real, the same patterns over and over again. Still, I know how to play and was able to make money and move to nl10 easily. Now this was where the fun began… 10.000 hands, 90% of the hands I played I got coolered or got bad beats. This is no joke,I’m running at -17.99bb/100!!lol Sure, 10.000 hands isn’t that much but I recognize those patterns so well that It doesn’t even matter. What I mean by that is seeing the flop and already knowing what the board will look like by the river.
Random Number generator my ass…
And yes, I’ve got all the hand history on Holdem Manager to prove this.

By: steviejj

steviejj — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:52:34 +0000

I am 100% convinced that online poker IS RIGGED!.
I have played over 1000 hours of online poker at the cash tables and mainly low/micro stacks as I don’t have the finances to play higher. During my time playing at various different sites I have noticed falmilar patterns at each site. To begin with everything runs fine and my strength of play seems to show through as i double treble then quadruple my bankroll in no time at all.
Then something strange starts to happen. No matter what cards im dealt and how I play them I cannot win. Even more curiously i’m finding my ace ace and king king bust in HEADS UP action against bad callers with totally dominated hands like A9 (of suit) VS myAA, and K9(of suit) VS my KK. And this always seems to happen when in all ins when the pots get juicy. I have counted losing ACE ACE and KING KING around 7 to 8 times in a row to ‘fish’ callers in heads up with their dominated garbage. And suddenly my hard won profit starts to plummet due my premiums sucking out 80 to 90% of the time when they should be winning at this percentage heads up, not losing at it!
Put simply some of the bad beats i have suffered have been sick, and at a an alarming frequency which would just never happen in live play. One particular example that sticks is when i was dealt ace king, some guy before me raised 4 times the big blind i called everybody else in the pot folded. the flop comes down kk9 rainbow with no two suited cards on the flop. a nut flop for me so as any self respecting player holding the nuts i checked hoping for a raise. Sure enough i got it the guy raised all in I knew straight away I going to lose even though i knew my present hand was winning. I thought maybe he has ak too or k9 and flopped the nuts fullhouse, but then why raise preflop with k9 hardly a raising hand in a full table of 9. So of course i called. with cards on their backs it turns out he had ace 9 of hearts. so he had 2 9s to my 3 kings and only one heart on the board. anyway im sure you can guess what happens next, turn 6 hearts, river 10 hearts! other than drawing a turn of 9 and river of 9 hitting quad 9s i got the only suckout i could of, and he pulled it of with runner, runner flush! so I lost the pot and all my hard earned cash at that table.
What amazes me is this guy had been playing tight the whole time i’d been playing at the table making moderate raises in other hands where he was clearly better then on my hand where he had nothing but a pair of 9s and ace kicker raises his hand like a maniac holding the nuts!
This is not just a one off bad beat, this shit happens all the time! and always when my bankroll hits a certain point. It makes me wonder who i am playing against and I am highly suspicious that not only do sites use bots at their tables but also what I would call ‘site operatives’ – players that work for the site or are affiliated with them through advertising or promotion.
The site im talking about here is Partypoker and as far as i am concerned it is a rigged piece of shit site that favours fish. It also deals you premiums to screw you out of money as thats where most of the bigger betting is. So if starting to hit a losing streak online despite how your playing your hands, watch out! when your ace king hits the flop and some chump is reraising you or betting big, they probably havent got shit but will hit their gunshot straight or whatever outside draw they are chasing by the river. You have been warned!

By: Ted

Ted — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:49:53 +0000

I think what most people fail to realize is that the poker site is not rigging the game so the ‘house’ has an advantage.
It is a misnomer to say rigged, however, the algorithms used and the subroutines implemented does make the game less fair.
Paul Westin has further described and outlined this in his Online Poker Code Crack, which basically reveals the structure of the online poker software and the algorithms that create an unfair advantage to anyone privvy to those seqential algortithms.

The following post explains further http://steinreview.blogspot.com/2009/08/online-poker-rigged-secret-revealed.html

Hope this helps!

By: Simon

Simon — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:48:47 +0000

I tell you what. If you go all in and you got less chips than the other guy you lose far more than the odds dictate. As someone suggested it makes perfect sense for two reasons. One, you go out and fire up a new game=more rake. Two, the quicker that MTT finishes the more money they make! I have seen time and time again the best hand losing when you are all in for months on end! Yes badbeats happen live, but not to the extent they do online when you are all in and covered in chips!

Let’s face it. Why has not one online poker room ever proven without any doubt whatsoever it is a total random ‘shuffle’?

By: spadebidder

spadebidder — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:18:16 +0000

Ed – Most of your undetectability speculations have disappeared in the past 6 months or so due to the increasing availability of very large hand history databases for analysis, and the exponentially increasing study of what is “normal” including the card removal effects mentioned.

There are at least two groups who have accumulated over 1 billion hands for study and made them available for analysis. Recently the card removal effect that causes Aces to flop less often than deuces was exactly quantified over 175 million seen flops, and as expected the flop distribution in holdem exhibits a smooth slope upward from Aces at ~7.5% to deuces at ~7.8%. This slope is seen at all holdem games from heads up to full ring, with HU being most pronounced (as expected) with the delta being almost half a percent from Ace to deuce. The effect is so consistent and predictable that an alteration would show up immediately in large databases.

With the current state of datamining and the large databases that are being accumulated and studied, I don’t think that a profitable rigging scheme can go undetected any more, although that may have once been true.

The good news is that no poker site has ever been shown to have anything but a random deal, so far.

By: online

online — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:04:37 +0000

So all I have to say is – If you think Online Poker is rigged – then do some research, look at all the factors involved, then make an educated decision for yourself. Don’t sell yourself short – learn something about the business so you can make your own decisions that are based on fact, rather than emotion.

And if you still think it is rigged – then simply don’t play. Leave the fun for the rest of us, and go and abuse your local casino poker dealer when you get beaten on the river. Yes it happens there too you know…..

I’m going to go play a Sit & Go – have a good Thursday everyone.

Eva