Comments on: Hidden Outs Revisited

By: Alamedamike

Alamedamike — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:49:27 +0000

Correction – I missed more than I though after checking Ed’s answers. Here is my answer for the record – oops – not as easy as I thought.

I missed the FH outs on #4 – Donkey! – Live it is easier but still not that easy.

1) 5 outs (A,K) to win and 3 outs (9) to chop.
2) 3 outs (2) to win, 21 to chop (3 A, 3Ks, 3 Qs, 3 Js, 3s, 3 9’s, 3 3’s)
3) 7 outs (2’s and 4 5’s to a win) – 6 outs ( 3 4’s and 3 3’s) to a chop
4) 5 outs (6,8,9,J,K clubs) to chop.
5) 16 outs to win (Q, J, K or A) 3 outs to chop (8)
6) 3 outs to win (4) and 15 outs to chop (A,K,Q,J,T,2)
7) 3 outs to win (9,3) – no chop here
8)11 outs to win (A,2,6), 6 outs to a chop (2,5)
9)3 outs to win (3), 18 to chop
10)2 out to win (2) – everything else chops.

By: Alamedamike

Alamedamike — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:19:56 +0000

I got most or all of them right first try – it just took me longer than I would like too. Sitting at the table I will need to do this faster. Sometimes I miss a most likely split pot and fold.

Good exercise. That is an advantage a much younger person has.

By: Jose

Jose — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:12:13 +0000

win – tie

1. 5 – 3
2. 3 – 22
3. 7 – 6
4. 9 – 5
5. 17 – 3
6. 3 – 19
7. 3 – 0
8. 11 – 6
9. 3 – 18
10. 2 – 42

By: Jade

Jade — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:04:22 +0000

1. win 3XK 2XA
tie 2X5 3X9
2. win 3X2
tie 3X9 4XT 3XJ 4XQ 4XK 1XA
3. win 3X2 4X5
4. tie 6,8,9,J,K clubs
5. win 4X9 3XJ 3XQ 3XA
tie 3X8
6. win 3X4
tie 2X2 4XT 4XJ 4XQ 2XK 4XA
7. win 1X3 2X9
8. win 4XA 3X3 4X6
tie 3X2 3X5
9. win 3X3
tie 3X4 3XT 4XJ 4XQ 4XK
10. win 2X2
tie 4X4 4X5 4X6 4X7 4X8 4X9 4XT 2XJ 4XQ 4XK 1XA

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By: Todd

Todd — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:23:22 +0000

hmmm, there do seem to be 5 there. doh!

I would look at it this way, Jeroen. As I understand it casinos are pretty good at spotting the straightforward card counter playing black jack. If they decide that the counter is counting cards badly, they will let the player play on as he is still at a disadvantage to the house. The would be counter plays off his money thinking he has an advantage.

If you found yourself at a table with me and spotted me the extra A, I think you would come to the same conclusion as the casino…. play on….

By: Jeroen

Jeroen — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:47:31 +0000

Last try (made some corrections, I made about two errors I think)

1.
5 wins: 3xK,2xA
3 chops: 3×9

2.
3 wins: 3×2
10 chops: 3×9,3xJ,1xA,3×3

3.
7 wins: 4×5,3×2
6 chops: 3×4,3×3

4.
9 wins: 3xQ,3xT,3×7
5 chops: 5xclub

5.
13 wins: 3xA,3xQ,3xJ,4xK
3 chops: 3×8

6.
3 wins: 3×4
18 chops: 2xK,4xA,4xQ,4xJ,4xT

7.
3 wins: 1×3,2×9
0 chops:

8.
11 wins: 3×3,4xA,4×6
6 chops: 3×5,3×2

9.
3 wins: 3×3
18 chops: 4xK,4xQ,4xJ,3xT,3×4

10.
2 wins: 2×2
39 chops: 1xA,2xJ,9*4 (everything above 3)

PS. I don’t want to play with Todd, when he has an Ace in his hand, it seems to come from up his sleeve…

By: Jeroen

Jeroen — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:27:45 +0000

ugh, retry:
#win,#chop outs to win outs to chop --------------------------------------------- 5,3 3xK, 2xA 3x9 3,8 3x2 3x9,3xJ,2xA 7,0 4x5,3x2 0 9,5 3xQ,3xT,3x7 5xclub 13,3 3xA,3xQ,3xJ,4xK 3x8 3,18 3x4 2xK,4xA,4xQ,4xJ,4xT 3 1x3,2x9 0 11,6 3x3,4xA,4x6 3x5,3x2 3,18 3x3 4xK,4xQ,4xJ,3xT,3x4 2,39 2x2 1xA,2xJ,9*4 (everything above 3)

By: Jeroen

Jeroen — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:26:46 +0000

Hopefully this will come out correctly:

#win,#chop outs to win outs to chop
———————————————
5,3 3xK, 2xA 3×9
3,8 3×2 3×9,3xJ,2xA
7,0 4×5,3×2 0
9,5 3xQ,3xT,3×7 5xclub
13,3 3xA,3xQ,3xJ,4xK 3×8
3,18 3×4 2xK,4xA,4xQ,4xJ,4xT
3 1×3,2×9 0
11,6 3×3,4xA,4×6 3×5,3×2
3,18 3×3 4xK,4xQ,4xJ,3xT,3×4
2,39 2×2 1xA,2xJ,9*4 (everything above 3)

By: gharp

gharp — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:41:40 +0000

Whoa, I did awful! And here I thought I knew this stuff…