Comments on: Extracting Bonus Value on Dry Boards

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Enlaces de póquer de la semana « PokerPoquer.net — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:19:42 +0000

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By: andrzej

andrzej — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:05:46 +0000

Ed’s flop check decision.

“One player is loose and started the hand with only a 60BB stack.”
I consider myself strict TAG and I sit to table with short stack frequently.
But If I have 60BB with over pair (55+),out of position, the board(433),with two opponents with deep stacks and I am confronted with continuation bet from player with very wide range consisting of over cards holdings.
I do not care about “crush” and my taginess I go all-in 80% of the time or fold(10%).
Thats the moment to take advantage of tight image- my high folding equity,erase position advantage,put pressure in opposite direction,etc.
My only problem is balance the right ratio between all-in or fold because stat tells me I do good thing for me.

If the player is loose I will say his ration is like 90% allin.

By: andrzej

andrzej — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:39:10 +0000

Hey BubbleBoy!
I am really interested how you calculate distribution ranges crush.
When you have preflop very standard bet and call an d call and on flop no continuation bet from position but check,check,check on dry board.

By: andrzej

andrzej — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:53:42 +0000

“You distribution crushes their distribution on this flop, main reason to bet.”
WOW-Can somebody explain me such statement or quantify distributions or crush?.
Did you mean that JT is tip top of Ed’s opponents ranges?

By: Bubbleboy

Bubbleboy — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:16:01 +0000

Ed, I like most of the hands the post, but this one isn’t a 5 star article. While I do agree mostly with your analysis that explains the flop check, it is still very bad. You distribution crushes their distribution on this flop, main reason to bet. Moreover you can barrel any overcard, and that’s very nice with JT cause you don’t hit the ones they are most scared of and vice versa. Just because one villain is only 60BB deep doesn’t change this from a bet at all.

Flop check is terrible.

The river again is not so cool. the bdfd gets there, which is part of your range, so potting it overreps. My theoretical knowledge is not good enough to tell you if TPNK should make the same pot-bet value range like the bd-flush and turn/river set(boat), but my intuition tells me it does not make it. So imo potting here can only be part of an exploitive strategy, for which you have not given any player specific or limit specific reads.

By: andrzej

andrzej — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:58:07 +0000

I have problem with your closing statement.
” You can and will get looked up “light”, particularly if you give your opponent a glimmer of hope that you’re weak (as I did in this hand by checking the flop and betting only half pot on the turn). ”
Betting only half pot on the turn was deception.OK.I agree.
Checking flop was not deception but clear reflection of your weakness with 3xpot, flop against 66.
I will generalize your last statement: Dry boards gives a glimmer of hope to many players with different holdings.In this case you and BB.

By: andrzej

andrzej — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:13:46 +0000

I will titled this post:
“Extracting bonus value from your table image or your previous history.”
Hey Ed!
At the beginning I have to say that I like direction you going with your posts.
Most recent posts give much wider scope and description of poker situations that your previous posts(hand reading exercise).

You considered the number of variables to make decisions you did.(stack sizes,betting pattern,position,etc).
Dry board with TP seems to be on top your variables.
OK. However you extract the most bonus from BB decision to make call to you hefty river bet.
Well-Dry board and pair of sixes are weak assets for BB to make such call.On river the board is not so “dry”.
I see table image as number one variable which justify such BB call and your big bet on river.
Your table image derive from the previous history of your play against someone (in the current or previous sessions).
The best situation will be current BB involvement history.
I do not play at Full Tilt.
I assume that if you are not “crispy” LAG =”suspected bluffer” – BB call will mean that you lost.
Situation is simple :if you are TAG.Your opponents river calling range to your hefty river bet starts at TPTK.
If you are LAG, larger river bet can enforce impression you are bluffing and increase chances for BB call.

By: andrzej

andrzej — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:45:54 +0000

You considered the number of variables to make decisions you did.(stack sizes,betting pattern,position,etc).
Dry board with TP seems to be on top your variables.
OK. However you rip the most profit from BB decision to make call to you hefty river bet.
Well-Dry board and pair of sixes are weak assets for BB to make such call.
I see table image as number one variable which justify such BB call and your decision on river: bet size .
Your table image derive from the previous history of your play against someone (in the current or previous sessions).
The best situation is BB involvement history.
I do not play at Full Tilt.
If you play different networks and you are not “crispy” LAG or “frequent” bluffer- BB call will mean that you lost.
Situation is simple :if you are your TAG.Your opponents calling range to your hefty bet starts at TPTK.

By: Pim

Pim — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:14:06 +0000

And how do you play the hand if you are the one with the pair of sixes, same position, same betting sequence etc.?