Don’t Overdo Overlimping

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Overlimping is limping in preflop behind one or more limpers. In my opinion, most players overlimp more often than they should. If you love to sneak into pots behind limping opponents, reading this article could change your mind and improve your results.

You’re sitting four off the button in a 9-handed live no-limit game. The blinds are $2 and $5, and the stacks range from $200 to over $1,000. Two players limp in front of you. Say you limp in also. What’s likely to happen?

In many cases, it will go something like this. Two players will limp in behind you. The small blind will complete, and the big blind will check. That makes you one out of seven players seeing a flop. You have position on four of them, and two players are behind you. What’s your plan?

With so many players seeing a flop, stealing won’t play a large role in your strategy. You might steal some pots by flopping a big draw and semibluffing. And every once in a while you might steal a pot no one seems to want. But you aren’t going to steal too many pots out from under six other opponents.

So your strategy must rely mostly on making a hand and getting value for it. Unfortunately, that’s the same strategy your opponents will have. And that’s the fundamental problem with overlimping – it creates situations where you and your opponents are all playing roughly the same way. When everyone is playing the same way, no one has an edge.

Of course, I acknowledge that you can manufacture at least some edge for yourself in limped pots. Here are the ways you can do it:

  1. You can start with stronger hands preflop than your opponents do.
  2. You can bet your hands better. Many players are too timid with their good hands and they either miss bets with them or don’t make their bets big enough. You can extract more value for your hands than your opponents can.

But, as edges in no-limit go, these ones are relatively small. Starting hand strength isn’t so important in a limped pot because the pot starts very small. That leaves plenty of time and money for a weaker hand to play catch up. And your “better betting” edge comes into play only on hands where you make a good hand, and someone else makes a second-best hand. That doesn’t happen so often, and nearly as frequently you’ll be the one with the second-best hand.

The bottom line is that when you overlimp, you’re mostly hoping to make a hand and win a big pot, and yet it’s hard to stack someone or otherwise win a big pot when the hand starts out limped seven ways. And to top it off, your opponents are also hoping to make a hand and win a big pot, and they’re almost as good at doing it as you are. So you just don’t have a whole lot of edge.

Raising preflop creates imbalances that good players can exploit for a larger edge. If you raise, typically one of three things will happen:

  1. No one will call. This possibility obviously presents an edge for you. You’re now stealing pots you couldn’t steal by limping.
  2. One or two players will call. This situation benefits you, particularly if your opponents will cede you the postflop initiative and play a fit-or-fold strategy after the flop. In games where there is typically a lot of limping, as I said before, most players’ strategies form around trying to make a hand. They aren’t trying to steal many pots. They are deciding whether to continue or not based on how strong their hands are. When your opponents are playing that way, folding unless they “fit” well with the board cards, you can exploit them merely by playing aggressively.

    When seven people see the flop in a limped pot, everyone is playing “make a hand” poker, and you don’t have it much better than anyone else. But when you raise preflop and only one or two people call, often your opponents will be playing “make a hand” while you will be playing, “I win if you don’t make a hand.” This scenario can offer you a much more significant edge over your opponents.

  3. Nearly everyone will call. This situation is somewhat similar to playing the limped pot, except that the small edges you could exploit in a limped pot become larger edges in this scenario. Since the preflop pot is significantly larger, preflop hand strength takes on more importance. And you now make much more money from betting better than your opponents because the pot and bets will be much bigger. Whatever your edge was worth in a $30 limped pot, it will be worth significantly more in a $150 raised pot. The more money that’s at risk, the bigger your potential edges are worth.

Of course, you don’t get all these potential advantages for free. Raising instead of overlimping exposes you to a risk of getting reraised off your hand. Many live games are fairly passive preflop, however, and you often won’t have to worry much about getting reraised unless someone happens to pick up a hand like pocket aces or kings. These passive games are best for raising with hands you would normally overlimp.

Overlimping is not at all universally bad. It keeps you in the hand and gives you some chance to win a big pot. And in very aggressive games where people are raising and reraising like crazy, overlimping can often be your best play.

But when the game is passive and many pots are being played five-, six-, or seven-handed for the price of the big blind, overlimping often handicaps you. It forces you to play primarily “make a hand” poker, and therefore it deprives you of many of your potential edges. Try raising instead. Doing so can tilt many pots to your advantage and allow you to exploit much larger edges. The bigger your edges, the more money you’ll make.

[This article appeared in the December 3, 2008 issue (Vol. 21, No. 24) of Card Player.]

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7 Responses to “Don’t Overdo Overlimping”

Jim Cheseborough
@ Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:06:08 PM
1

Thanks Ed,
This is great information. I play a LOT of games in which I tend to overlimp and not think much about it. Now I will!

Have you been playing live in Vegas much?
I’d like to see you at a table soon.

Jim

Parker
@ Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:09:00 PM
2

I play in games like this quite a bit.

I wholeheartedly agree with your article if you are playing with capable players with decent hand reading skills after the flop.

I wholly disagree with your article if you are playing with people who will chase weak draws too often or who overvalue one pair or two pair hands.

In poker made simple, one of your 7 tips was “Don’t over-commit in small pots.” When you play with players who violate this rule fairly often and will stack off on relatively weak holdings, I see no problem over-limping a wide variety of hands that could flop or turn monsters.

karbyn
@ Thu Dec 11, 2008 09:02:50 AM
3

Last night, I made this play 3 times from the blinds alone, 1/2 live, 10 handed.
First time I had QQ against 6 limpers. 1 caller to the river. He had second pair.
Second, I had AQ and took it with a c-bet.
Third time, I had 97o ( although I had decided to do it again before looking ) against *7* limpers. 7 folds. LOL

AKQJ10
@ Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:23:35 AM
4

As usual I get the theory, but I’m not sure I’m applying it right. I posted a recent live $1-2 hand where I tried raising JTs on the button and got four callers. I’d love feedback about how that fits in with Ed’s article.

tim tom
@ Sun Dec 14, 2008 07:10:10 PM
5

“Nearly everyone will call. This situation is somewhat similar to playing the limped pot, except that the small edges you could exploit in a limped pot become larger edges in this scenario. Since the preflop pot is significantly larger, preflop hand strength takes on more importance. And you now make much more money from betting better than your opponents because the pot and bets will be much bigger. Whatever your edge was worth in a $30 limped pot, it will be worth significantly more in a $150 raised pot. The more money that’s at risk, the bigger your potential edges are worth.”

mirio
@ Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:40:12 PM
6

i have a question about what happened in a game i played last night !
a player bet 150 the next player bet 300 the next called the 300 and the next called 300
the original better went all in for 480
does this bet re-open the betting for all player
or his bet should be 300+300 ?
thank you we had all different opinions on the matter!
mirio

Ed Miller
@ Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:41:58 PM
7

mirio,

Yes, this reopens the betting since it’s more than a full raise. Since 150 is the bet size in this hand, any bet bigger than 450 (300 + 150) reopens the betting.

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