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Does Short-Handed Play Affect Blind Defense?

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Blind stealing and blind defense. What hands should I do it with? Should I do it more short-handed? What factors affect whether I try a blind steal or whether I defend my blind. These questions are extremely common. I get asked them in many forms. Unfortunately, a complete answer could fill a book, and it’s not a book I’m particularly inclined to write.

So instead I’ll answer a single question here from Jim, one of my readers:

I do have a question for Ed concerning full ring to short-handed blind defense. Do the requirements for blinds steals/defenses change at all between the two games?

The short answer is that the requirements do and they don’t change. The short answer is never very informative, is it? How’s this: They don’t change from a theoretical perspective, and they do change from a practical perspective. It’s not a 100 percent accurate answer, but it’s close enough. Here’s what I mean.

Everyone folds to someone one off the button. She raises. Everyone folds to you in the big blind. You have K :heart: 9 :spade: . Should you call?

Well, I don’t know if you should call or not. After all, we don’t even know yet if the game is limit or no-limit. But that’s not my point with this example. My point is: Do you need to know how short-handed the game is to answer the question? From a theoretical standpoint, no, you don’t.

The only difference theoretically between a 10-handed game that gets to this situation or a 6-handed game is how many people have folded up front. Once people fold, they’re irrelevant. When I say “Everyone folds to one off the button,” all the folders are irrelevant. Who cares if there were two of them or six? Who cares if there were zero or twelve? It doesn’t matter. They’re out of the hand. They’re out of the picture. They don’t change your play one iota.

That’s the theoretical answer. In practical terms, however, things do change. Why? Because it’s all about range.

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5 Responses to “Does Short-Handed Play Affect Blind Defense?”

Carmen Moore
@ Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:33:31 AM
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Hello Ed, two quick questions regarding statements in your FAQ relating to the Small Stakes No-Limit Hold’em book:

1) Why is live play at small stakes generally much easier than online play?

2) Why is full-ring play typically easier than short-handed play?

Thanks for your time! When I get a job, I’m buying the book.

Pim
@ Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:46:57 AM
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Ed,

Do you not miss one crucial point? Statistics. In a 10-handed game odds are far more likely that someone at the table is holding a good hand instead of at a 6-handed table.

Ed Miller
@ Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:33:46 AM
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Carmen,

Live play is generally easier than online for two reasons. First, good online players can play eight or more games at once, while bad players generally play only one or two. So far more seats get taken up proportionally by good players. Also, online is a more competitive atmosphere and is less likely to attract casual players.

Full ring is “easier” than shorthanded because you play fewer hands per hour, and on average the hands you play will be obviously stronger on average. So a higher percentage of hands you play will be “no brainer” type hands like a set or a big flush draw where it’s hard to mess up. When you play shorthanded you end up playing more hands that require experience and knowledge to navigate well.

Pim,

It is true that at a 10-handed table it’s more likely someone will hold a strong hand than at a 6-handed table. HOWEVER, if at a 10-handed table the first four players fold, from that point on the odds of a good hand appearing are nearly identical to a hand that started with 6 players.

Thus, on the topic of “blind defense” where you’re generally talking about someone open raising from one of the last few positions, 10-handed and 6-handed games are nearly identical in theory. In practice, the players who choose to play 6-handed games tend to be more aggressive in these situations than the players who choose to play 10-handed games.

Pim
@ Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:26:04 PM
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Ed, sorry, you are right. Didn’t read your blog very closely at first.

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[...] Esta “lógica” es muy defectuosa. Como demostré antes, si todo el mundo se retira hasta el jugador del botón que sube, no importa si el juego comenzó en una mesa larga o corta. Las manos que juegas dependen sólo del rango de tus oponentes, no de la rapidez con que “llegan las ciegas”. El defecto en esta lógica es pensar en las ciegas como “precio” que “pagas”. No “pagas” las ciegas, es dinero muerto. Son apuestas ya hechas. Y estas apuestas ya hechas valen relativamente mucho más contra unos pocos jugadores que contra una mesa llena de jugadores. Así que haces muchas más apuestas ciegas en un juego de mesa corta, pero estas apuestas tienen un valor bastante más en un juego de mesa corta, así que el “precio” total se mantiene. Así que aunque no tienes que hacer teóricamente ningún ajuste entre juegos de 10 personas o de 6, en la práctica te darás cuenta que tus adversarios juegan más agresivamente en las tablas cortas. No tienes que ajustar al diferente número de oponentes, tienes que ajustar a los diferentes rangos que juegan. Fuente: noted poker authority . [...]

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